R7 vs R10

[hattac]

I have been looking at getting a mirrorless camera, and would like help to decide what’s the better option between the R7 15-180mm kit or R10 15-180mm kit with the 100-400mm RF lens, because I can’t decide myself. My budget is around £2,000, but I can stretch that a little bit more if I have to. I will mainly be doing landscape and photos of my pets, although I will be doing some wildlife, mainly birds, but wildlife is a genre I’ve barely explored. It will be my only camera since the screen broke on my Nikon D5200 (I only had an 18-55 lens). I can get an R6 Mark II with the 24-105 STM lens for £2,300, but I don’t really care about full frame. I am semi-beginner. Which camera do you think is best for me?

[deebatman316]

The R7 has In Body Image Stabilization (IBIS) which greatly reduces camera shake. In addition to to Optical Image Stabilization (OIS). The R7 offers dual card slots. The R7 and other Full Frame bodies lack a built in flash. If flash is needed an external speedlite/ flash unit is required for flash photography. The R10 doesn't offer IBIS instead it relies on lenses with IS for stabilization and it only has 1 card slot. The R6 Mark II just like the R7 offers many of the same features. The only difference is the R6 Mark II has a Full Frame image sensor instead of an APS-C image sensor size. When it comes to landscapes this is where Full Frame shines with wide angle lenses. There aren't as many wide angle options when it comes to APS-C cameras.

[stevet1]

hattac,

I have been looking at the same decision you have.

There are several web sites out there, where you can compare two cameras side by side, and see which features you think you would like the best. Just do a Google search for Canon R10 compared to Canon R7.

I would say this: If you are just getting into mirrorless, the R10 is the more entry level. There will be a smaller learning  curve.

You can get an R10 with an RF 18-150mm lens for about $1,300 now and an RF 100-400 lens for about $700; so there is your $2,000.

I personally have settled on the R10. I read a guy one time who said that the R10 is the kind of camera that you can throw it in a bag and it just works. I decided That's the kind of camera for me.

It's good to see you doing your research. You're a smart consumer.

Steve Thomas

[Tronhard]

Hi and welcome to the forum:

I have a series of questions that I think are important for you to ponder.
1.  While I recognize that your preferred subjects are: landscape and pets, and potentially birds or other wildlife, the equally critical question is what do you intend to produce?  The demands of the end product have a profound impact on the level of investment required.  For example, the needs to produce for social media, digital display or small prints (<= 8"x10") compared to large, detailed prints.  I suspect the answer but do not want to jump to conclusions.

2. You say you don't really care about full-frame. I would be grateful if you could expand on that.  Is it because you consider that elitist (i.e. for pro's or serious enthusiasts) or too expensive or some other factors?

Please do answer these questions, because they can shape the way we proceed.

[Ron888]

My thoughts for what they're worth- i think you should get the R10 and a long lens.You'll absolutely need the extra length when doing bird photography.Long term you may even want longer than 400mm.

Also i'm guessing the extra features on the R7 won't do much for you.Do you need dual cards? The ability to get shots in slightly dimmer light without a tripod?
Slightly higher frames rates? The R10 can do 23FPS.Do you need more than that?
Both cameras have excellent eye detect focus and focus tracking so you're good there

[p4pictures]

Within your budget, the EOS R10 with RF-S 18-150mm lens and RF 100-400mm IS lens is a great kit that will cover lots of requirements. For general hobbyist photography the light weight and smaller R10 means you are more likely to take it with you than the larger and heavier R7.

Both the 18-150mm and 100-400mm lens include IS, so while the body does not I don't see this as a big limitation. For wildlife and bird photography you will find that the shutter speed needs to be pretty fast, 1/500 or more, so that will mitigate camera shake anyway.

EOS R7 uses the higher capacity LP-E6NH batteries, but I have achieved over 1000 shots on a single LP-E17 in my EOS R10.

AF system is largely the same in terms of settings and setup for both cameras, and as has been reported before the EOS R7 is not fast enough to complete AF for every shot when used at it's maximum continuous shooting speed.

The EOS R10 has a slower maximum continuous shooting speed and smaller buffer, but I rarely run in to an issue when shooting motorsports with mine. The key is to use UHS-II SD cards with V60 or V90 spec.