01-02-2024 01:11 PM
I recently bought an R8 and have been trying my hand at photographing some sunsets. However, it seems that whatever I do, I get a lot of noise in the image. I've tried wide and small aperture (f/4.5 - f/11), auto ISO and setting ISO to 100 to force a shutter speed, tripod and not, and changing the exposure / metering settings. Example attached (this one is 24mm, f/4.5, 1/1600 shutter, ISO 200). The clouds / sky in the picture (and in all of them) has a grainy texture (noticeable on the full shot at normal zoom, and much more so when magnified).
I'm stumped on what might be causing it and how I can get this resolved. Any help would be appreciated.
01-02-2024 07:27 PM - edited 01-02-2024 07:31 PM
Thank you, will check it out!
Just did, alas Adobe cripples the image for transmission. You would need to share it via a file-sharing app like MS OneDrive (you need a MS email account) or Google share program, info on that via this link:
Share photos & videos - Computer - Google Photos Help
Definitely need the full CR3 file, but useful to know you are using Lightroom as your photo editor
01-02-2024 08:51 PM - edited 01-02-2024 08:53 PM
Ok... let me try this:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/BHFVDmbLtpGDzkwR6
https://photos.app.goo.gl/vkXfAAk8nZNc6nmj7
I also uploaded to google drive:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/13o7ULuMlqrq-f_qDOudzL03UTW2jBiN7/view?usp=drive_link
01-02-2024 08:58 PM
Hi Jeff:
Well, some success - I have a somewhat better view but the file has been drastically reduced in size to just 173kB and the metadata is gone - the file now seems to be reduced to a small JPG file. When you post, is there an option to have no compression?
01-03-2024 12:23 PM
there was, and I thought for sure I checked the box that said something to the effect of "full size" as opposed to the space saver option.
Are you able to check the google drive link? For that I uploaded a zip that says it contains the files which are 8 and 12 MB.
01-03-2024 01:56 PM
I clicked on the link but need your permission to access the file according to the program, so I requested it.
01-03-2024 04:57 PM
ok... should have access now.
01-03-2024 05:14 PM - edited 01-03-2024 05:53 PM
It is dark, but even if I brighten the sky I don't get the same noise as you got. I still think your noise issue is due to your sharpening in Lightroom. I also think Adobe still uses AHD as demosaicing method (Adaptive Homogeneity-Directed). Good for areas of high contrast. Not so good for low contrast.
What it looks like for me in darktable without any sharpening, lens profile or NR.
A demosaicing method dedicated for high contrast, like AHD/RCD/AMaZE, will also let you see the artifacts from CRAW easier.
AHD:
VNG4 that is good for maze pattern or low contrast:
01-05-2024 12:02 AM
Thanks for this. After this I tried opening them in DPP and subjectively it looked a litter better (exported jpgs were objectively better as well, but that could have been the export settings). I'm going to have to read this a few more times though before I can digest it all.
01-03-2024 05:30 PM
Currently out shooting. Will check when I get home!
01-03-2024 10:33 PM - edited 01-04-2024 12:44 PM
Thanks for sorting out the access for me. I have downloaded the three files and expanded them. I am now looking at them in PS.
In looking at 4811.cr3 my reaction is that there is some noise, particularly in the clouds, but TBH, I would expect that, given that the exposure is reduced to accommodate the bright light of the exposed sun. As I alluded to before, the dynamic range of the sensor is nowhere near our perception. Noise comes from under-exposure and very high ISO values - the latter of which you obviously don't have. I think that in getting the sunlit area right, the clouds (in some areas where they were darkest), have noise. There is also some drop-off of sharpness and in this case
I think it might have been interesting to use some different settings: Your EXIF data shows the following for the file 4811.CR3 1/1600sec, f/4.5, ISO-200.
I would tend to go for a slower shutter speed and still catch the waves, in fact a much slower shutter speed might have had some nice movement effects, providing an element of dynamism, but that's an artistic debate! Still, dropping to even 1/800sec, would allow a f/stop of 5.6 which would increase the depth of field.
The great landscape photographer, Ansel Adams once said that the negative (in this case the RAW image) was like the score of an orchestral piece, and just as the conductor interprets it to give it life and expression, so does post production with a photo.
So, one might say that the RAW image is simply that: RAW. The rest is meant to be achieved in the digital darkroom. Some may debate that, and that's the nature of any art. I took the image and played with it in PS, see what you think of this resulting JPG...
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