Really unhappy with EOS R6. Curious to know if others have similar Wi-Fi, IBIS, color issues.

[johninbigd]

I previously had a 60D, a 6D, then an R. I recently upgraded to the R6 and have mostly been unhappy with the expenditure. I do love the improved eye AF. That makes shooting a breeze! I also love the AF joystick and and the return of the old style control wheel. So nice! But.....the problems.

In order of mild to worst:

1. Horrible wifi connectivity problems

2. IBIS doesn't seem to work with any of my lenses (Tamron and Sigma, through an adapter)

3. Colors are horrible and photos lack contrast, creating a flat smeared sort of look that is really unpleasant

I process my photos in Lightroom Classic and have the most recent version available. I had zero problems with the 60D, 6D and R. Photos from any of those bodies look fantastic, especially the R. Colors are vibrant, skin tones are gorgeous, and there is plenty of contrast. I've done two shoots with the R6 and I absolutely hate the results. So much so that I'm already considering selling it. It's too late to return it, unfortunately. 

Have any of you run into these issues, particularly with the color and contrast?

[johninbigd]

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@shawnphoto wrote:

Do you have Photolab 3 or 4? Photolab 4 seems massively improved over v3. Although I have to admit I bought 3 when it came out and gave up on it quickly, too slow and Deep Prime was worse not better. v4 runs faster and produces results very close to what DPP does. 

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I got Photolab 4. It does a fantastic job with skin tones. Interestingly, I discovered the color rendering section and I get even better skin tones by rendering my image as if it were a Canon 1000D body. I get nice Kodak-looking skin tones. In Lightroom, the skin tones are more saturated and lean heavily to green/yellow. It's very frustrating. My workflow is going to have to be initial edits in DxO, then export to PS for portrait-specific editing that DxO mysteriously lacks entirely, like useful pleasing vignettes, dodging and burning, etc. 

The problem I have at the moment is that I get an error when I try to export to Photoshop. I'm going to have to open a ticket with DxO, I guess. I also need to figure out photo library management. I'm used to doing it all in Lr. 

[Waddizzle]

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@shawnphoto wrote:

Do you have Photolab 3 or 4? Photolab 4 seems massively improved over v3. Although I have to admit I bought 3 when it came out and gave up on it quickly, too slow and Deep Prime was worse not better. v4 runs faster and produces results very close to what DPP does. 

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Me?

All that I use are Canon DPP and Adobe PS/LR.  Creating the camera profile is super simple.  Download their software, take photo of the color checker, and the software creates a camera profile add-in for Lightroom.  Easy peasy, lemon squeezy.

[shawnphoto]

I got Photolab 4. It does a fantastic job with skin tones. Interestingly, I discovered the color rendering section and I get even better skin tones by rendering my image as if it were a Canon 1000D body. I get nice Kodak-looking skin tones. In Lightroom, the skin tones are more saturated and lean heavily to green/yellow. It's very frustrating. My workflow is going to have to be initial edits in DxO, then export to PS for portrait-specific editing that DxO mysteriously lacks entirely, like useful pleasing vignettes, dodging and burning, etc. 

The problem I have at the moment is that I get an error when I try to export to Photoshop. I'm going to have to open a ticket with DxO, I guess. I also need to figure out photo library management. I'm used to doing it all in Lr. 

Lightroom is just bad in so many ways. I feel your pain though with the workflow issues. There's no perfect one app solution right now, but you might try Capture One. I used to use that awhile back and they give you some powerful tools for controlling skin tones. I would say it is kind of geared towards portrait shooters. I should give it a shot again...

[johninbigd]

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@shawnphoto wrote:

I got Photolab 4. It does a fantastic job with skin tones. Interestingly, I discovered the color rendering section and I get even better skin tones by rendering my image as if it were a Canon 1000D body. I get nice Kodak-looking skin tones. In Lightroom, the skin tones are more saturated and lean heavily to green/yellow. It's very frustrating. My workflow is going to have to be initial edits in DxO, then export to PS for portrait-specific editing that DxO mysteriously lacks entirely, like useful pleasing vignettes, dodging and burning, etc. 

The problem I have at the moment is that I get an error when I try to export to Photoshop. I'm going to have to open a ticket with DxO, I guess. I also need to figure out photo library management. I'm used to doing it all in Lr. 

Lightroom is just bad in so many ways. I feel your pain though with the workflow issues. There's no perfect one app solution right now, but you might try Capture One. I used to use that awhile back and they give you some powerful tools for controlling skin tones. I would say it is kind of geared towards portrait shooters. I should give it a shot again...

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If I remember right, I tried Capture One a year or so ago and it was unbelievably slow. But I might not be remembering that correctly. I'd like to settle on one simple workflow again. For the last several years, it's been pretty straightforward: transfer images to computer, load library in Lr, do basic light and lens adjustments then edit in Ps for skin smoothing/blending and blemish removal and other such things, then save to go back to Lr for final color tweaks and any vignettes, etc. Export JPEG. Easy peasy. 

I need to take a look at Canon DPP. It's not something I've ever looked at before and I'm not even sure what it does. But if I can use that as the entry point so I at least get good camera support, maybe that would help.

[jrhoffman75]

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@johninbigd wrote:

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@shawnphoto wrote:

I got Photolab 4. It does a fantastic job with skin tones. Interestingly, I discovered the color rendering section and I get even better skin tones by rendering my image as if it were a Canon 1000D body. I get nice Kodak-looking skin tones. In Lightroom, the skin tones are more saturated and lean heavily to green/yellow. It's very frustrating. My workflow is going to have to be initial edits in DxO, then export to PS for portrait-specific editing that DxO mysteriously lacks entirely, like useful pleasing vignettes, dodging and burning, etc. 

The problem I have at the moment is that I get an error when I try to export to Photoshop. I'm going to have to open a ticket with DxO, I guess. I also need to figure out photo library management. I'm used to doing it all in Lr. 

Lightroom is just bad in so many ways. I feel your pain though with the workflow issues. There's no perfect one app solution right now, but you might try Capture One. I used to use that awhile back and they give you some powerful tools for controlling skin tones. I would say it is kind of geared towards portrait shooters. I should give it a shot again...

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If I remember right, I tried Capture One a year or so ago and it was unbelievably slow. But I might not be remembering that correctly. I'd like to settle on one simple workflow again. For the last several years, it's been pretty straightforward: transfer images to computer, load library in Lr, do basic light and lens adjustments then edit in Ps for skin smoothing/blending and blemish removal and other such things, then save to go back to Lr for final color tweaks and any vignettes, etc. Export JPEG. Easy peasy. 

I need to take a look at Canon DPP. It's not something I've ever looked at before and I'm not even sure what it does. But if I can use that as the entry point so I at least get good camera support, maybe that would help.

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DPP is Canon's free RAW file converter. It also can edit TIFF and JPEG files, but if they aren't derived from Canon RAW files there are reports of problems. 

DPP obviously produces  the most accurate RAW file output and will recognize any in-camera settings. DPP also has the most accurate lens profile corrections for Canon lenses. It is individual judgment whether or not the accurate results are pleasing to each user. DPP will be no different in that regard than DxO, Lr, Ps or Capture 1. 

DPP allows exporting a TIFF to other editors and has a dedicated tool for export to Photoshop. 

DPP has local editing tools, but they are rather limited compared to Lr and most like other. I only have experience with Lr. 

[shawnphoto]

DPP is definitely the best for accuracy. I have no idea how or why but it's basically a miracle worker with certain files, at least compared to Lightroom. 

The downfall is you need a supercomputer to run it. Which is why I still like to do all my local edits in Photoshop.

For me it is not quite a 1 app solution but a necessary step.

[johninbigd]

After playing with DxO Photolab, Capture One, and Canon DPP, I finally found something that actually works, but holy cats, it is going to be annoying and take up ridiculous amounts of hard drive space. If I open a raw file in Canon DPP and set the picture style to Faithful, enable Auto Lighting Optimizer set to Strong, then manually tweak the develop settings and then export that as a TIFF, I can import that into Lightroom and it will have fantastic skin tones like I'm used to with my EOS R. 

There must be a better way. I swear to god I'm almost ready to switch back to the R just so I don't have to deal with this crap. I'm frustrating.

[shawnphoto]

• Which settings? Many of the settings can be set in camera thus saving you time in DPP. I haven't used my R5 enough yet, only shot one wedding with it, but initial impressions are that it is much better than the R. However like you said, the R is easier to get a decent image, however with a little tweak here and there the R5 makes it easier to get an exceptional image. Just gotta learn the tool! And the R6 is definitely going to give you a high quality image, it's a little cleaner than the R too. Worst case you could just shoot jpeg and call it a day!

[AnthonyHayzen]

There's been a lot of discussion about camera color profiles etc. but I don't see any comment about you having color calibrated your display. Is your display color calibrated? If not then you may not be seeing the correct color no matter what software you use.

[Canonoli]

Even with a calibrated monitor (mine), you will see flat looking colours in Adobe Lightroom or Photoshop.
So, if you want colors like Camera Standard, Camera Portrait, Vivid and so on in Adobe Raw converter than you need to use better profiles than the Adobe proflies. Like Adobe Standard, Color, Vivid, Portrait.

You may find other software that has a good proflie already, but the poster here was saying he/she use's Lightroom.

Once again, if you use Adobe products, then I think you want new profiles.
This info has been out there since the introduction of the eos R5 on a few photograph sites.

With the Eos R, Adobe used the profiles from the 5D Mark IV as Adobe new canon was using the same sensor in the R and the 5D IV..

If your really not like the camera for other reasons, than sell it..  I own the R5 and think its a great camera.