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Is there a fix for 5d ii focus issue

khshultz
Contributor

Hello,  I just purchased the 5Dii used but the owner said the camera was working perfectly. I notice that when I take photos the photos do not look sharp. I am shooting in raw and using fast enough settings that they should be sharp. I tried different lenses and a tripod still same results when viewed at 100%. So I have been reading about the 5d ii having focus issues and was wondering if there is a fix to this problem? Also, I read that with 21 mp the photos won't look sharp in the view finder or when viewed at 100% has anyone else heard this?  Any suggestions would be helpful. I am thinking I need to return the item which is a shame, I was so excited to get the 5d ii and very disappointed to be having this issue.  

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Hello,

I wanted to let everyone know that I returned the 5Dii and they refunded my money. I decided to go with the new Canon 6D and I have to say that I am VERY impressed!! The shutter speed is so quiet and the sharpness, clarity is beautiful in normal light and low light. I cannot believe how good it is in low light, which is what I was looking for. The auto focus is very fast and efficient too! I also keep asking myself "why did I not go full frame sooner"  🙂  I love the camera!!!!! Thanks for all of your help!

this is specifically my problem as well. focus on one thing using a single focal point..shoot and bamm the focal point is highlighted someother place!!


@kotaiba wrote:

this is specifically my problem as well. focus on one thing using a single focal point..shoot and bamm the focal point is highlighted someother place!!


Kotaiba,

There is a possibility that this is a technique problem, rather than camera problem, especially for those who focus then recompose (pointing elsewhere).  The default setting is that whenever you press the shutter button half way, the camera will re-focus (on the wrong point if you recompose).  So once you achieved focus, you must either keep the shutter depressed half-way until shutter release or you press the AF-lock button (you need to customize this).

 

I disable the camera focus in the shutter button (customization) and use only the back focus button to focus to avoid this problem.

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millerker
Apprentice

I've come to this thread very late but just wanted to say that I have had focusing issues ever since I bought my canon 5D Mark II.  I have never felt that it focuses well and I'm never happy with the images.  I was told when studying photography at RMIT in Melbourne Australia by one of my lectureres that a very high percentage of digital cameras come off the shelf with focusing problems.  I was also recently told by a staff member at Camera Warehouse, a retail digital camera chain, that Canon 5D Mark II's are renowned for not taking sharp images.  Up until this point I had always blamed my technique.  I'm going to try these things on this thread to see if I can work out if in fact it is my camera or my technique.


@millerker wrote:

I've come to this thread very late but just wanted to say that I have had focusing issues ever since I bought my canon 5D Mark II.  I have never felt that it focuses well and I'm never happy with the images.  I was told when studying photography at RMIT in Melbourne Australia by one of my lectureres that a very high percentage of digital cameras come off the shelf with focusing problems.  I was also recently told by a staff member at Camera Warehouse, a retail digital camera chain, that Canon 5D Mark II's are renowned for not taking sharp images.  Up until this point I had always blamed my technique. I'm going to try these things on this thread to see if I can work out if in fact it is my camera or my technique.


Regardless of what your camera store told you, I've never heard anyone suggest that the 5D2, or any other member of the 5D series, was chronically prone to sharpness problems. Unless you're ready to give up and trade your camera in on a 5D3, you're right to try to track the problem down. If you haven't done so already (and maybe even if you have), I'd suggest carefully checking the autofocus microadjustment settings. Inaccurate AFMA isn't necessarily the most likely source of the problem, but it's probably the easiest to fix or rule out. And it doesn't require sending the camera in for service. So it's the obvious place to start.

Bob
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania USA


@millerker wrote:

I've come to this thread very late but just wanted to say that I have had focusing issues ever since I bought my canon 5D Mark II.  I have never felt that it focuses well and I'm never happy with the images.  I was told when studying photography at RMIT in Melbourne Australia by one of my lectureres that a very high percentage of digital cameras come off the shelf with focusing problems.  I was also recently told by a staff member at Camera Warehouse, a retail digital camera chain, that Canon 5D Mark II's are renowned for not taking sharp images.  Up until this point I had always blamed my technique.  I'm going to try these things on this thread to see if I can work out if in fact it is my camera or my technique.


All cameras and lenses (not just Canon or the 5D Mk II) have manufacturing tolerances. The small error caused by these manufacturing tolerances can add together and become noticeable, or they can cancel each other out and make the camera spot on.

 

For more informaton read: "This lens is soft" and other myths, by Roger Cicala @ lensrentals.com

 

The Canon 5D Mk II has micro focus adjustment which allows you to compensate for manufacturing tolerances. Micro focus adjustment should be done at the distance and type of light you normally shoot / use your camera. Newer cameras allow you to micro focus adjust a zoom lens at both ends of zoom range. The 5D Mk II only allows one adjustment per lens, typically this should be done at the long end of the zoom range as this has the shallowest depth of field. One of the best methods I've found for micro focus adjustment is DotTune: Autofocus fine tuning in under 5 minutes.

 

Most AF issues people have are not related to the camera, but, instead are caused by misunderstanding the AF system. Auto focus isn't as automatic as most people assume. A few years back Canon did an hour and half class on auto focus at B&H.

 

A Look at The Canon Autofocus System Part 1

A Look at The Canon Autofocus System Part 2

A Look at The Canon Autofocus System Part 3

 

Watching these video recordings of the presentation will substantially improve your understanding of auto focus, and results using it.

a747bldr
Apprentice

I have the same problem with my used 5D MKII.....

 

I thought I was doing something wrong, but now I see that it is the Camera....!

I have much better luck in obtaining clear shots by focusing manually, which is a pain...

 

This situation is unacceptable (my Nikon D5100 was always in perfect focus)

 

Time to sell the 5D.  Smiley Mad

My 5D II and 5D III are fantastic.

 

You might want to read this article:  http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2008/12/this-lens-is-soft-and-other-myths

 

The 5D II supports auto-focus micro-adjustment... meaning you can test and fine-tune the focus accuracy on the camera -- which can be different for EACH lens you own.

 

When I test the camera using a focus-test chart it's bang-on accurate every time and with every lens I test.  This is not to say that it will always be accurate with every lens.  Every so often a single "copy" of a lens will be flawed.  But the higher end the lens, the less likely that you'll encountered a flawed copy.

 

Here's the thing:  DO NOT take ordinary pictures and use that as a test of camera focus accuracy.  There are simply far too many reasons why a perfect camera & lens combination can end up with a soft image that having nothing to do with the camera.

 

If you want to test a camera, you have to isolate all those other causes.  The camera has to be tested with camera on a tripod, using a stationary focus test chart (and there are parameters for how these have to be setup to have a valid test -- chart instructions usually explain how to establish a proper test distance which will vary based on the focal length of the lens).  The conditions need to be controlled.  If the camera & lens are soft under "controlled" conditions, then you (a) might have an issue and (b) you can usually isolate the specific cause to where you will know what needs to be addressed to correct the problem (and often it's something you can do yourself.)

 

There is nothing plaguing the 5D II.  

 

There were huge complaints about the 5D II focus system... but the complaints were not about accuracy problems, they were largely about how a $2500 camera body ends up with the same basic focus system that they had on a $500 camera.  When Canon released the 5D III they went all out on the focus system.   The 5D III had one of the very best focus systems of any camera on the market when it was released (only the 1D X was better... and that system was only very fractionally better.)

 

There is a "story" behind how the 5D II ended up with that same basic focus system.  I'd rather not share the story here because I have no way of knowing if it's true.

 

If you allow the camera to auto-select the AF point, then it is programmed to always select the point at which it can achieve a focus lock at the CLOSEST focusing distance to the camera.  If you don't want it to do that, then tell it to pick a specific point (poke the AF point selection button, then use either the selection wheel on the front OR the navigator joystick on the back to select the AF point you want.)

 

If everything is used correctly and you STILL have a focus problem, you need to properly test the lens with a focus test chart and perform the auto-focus micro-adjustment.  If you STILL have focus problems even after performing that (in properly controlled test conditions) then the culprit is likely the lens.

 

The reason it can be the lens has to do with "how" the phase-detect AF system works.  It's possible to derive the correct focus position from merely one sample off the AF sensor.  Due to the nature of "phase detection" the camera can determine if the focus is either in-phase vs. out-of-phase; if out-of-phase the camera knows which direction it needs to go (it knows if focus is too far vs. too close); and it actually knows precisely how far it needs to adjust.  When the computer samples the focus point, it orders the lens to adjust by a specific amount which should send the lens to perfect focus every time.  But if that lens has gear backlash then the lens can miss focus due to backlash issues -- that's a lens problem -- not a camera body problem.

 

Another way to test for issues with the phase-detect focus system is to switch to "live view" and test focus that way.  Live view mode uses "contrast detect" auto-focus instead of "phase detect" auto-focus.    Contrast detect is slower and requires that the camera iterate through numerous focus checks before it can be sure it's properly worked out focus... but due to the way it works, the camera cannot just "know" which way it needs to adjust -- nor how much of an adjustment is needed.  So it has to keep re-sampling the image.  This makes for a much slower system... but because it keeps refining and re-evaluating the focus, it tends to always nail the focus (eventually).  Phase-detect will nail the focus much faster (it's near-instantaneous) IF everything is working correctly.  

Tim Campbell
5D III, 5D IV, 60Da

shuttergal1
Apprentice
Take off the lens and check the focal glass inside the body of the camera. I've had the same issue as you, and both times, it was due to the focal glass falling out of the camera body. (They'll be a rectangular piece of plastic that's just laying in the body after removing the lens--you can't miss it!) First time, I had it sent to Canon for a full repair. Now here I am with the same issue, and I'm attempting to fix it myself!

I'm extremely late to this party but I too must admit I am having the same issue with my 5D Mark II. I have since acquired a couple of other bodies (7D and 60D) and neither has that issue. The 60D in particular is tack sharp. Same settings, same lenses. And yes I have disabled AF micro-adjust. I rented 5D3s for some recent shoots (different bodies from different renters) and was blown away by their focus accuracy (again same settings, etc.) I was strongly considering a 5D3 as my upgrade path....that was until the 5D4 was announced. I typically will skip a generation before considering an uppgrade, so this is really perfect timing. If the 5D3s I rented are anything to go by, the 5D4 will be an absolute focus magnet. I have been really frustrated with my 5D2 and can no longer trust it to deliver the results I seek.

 

5D4 here I come!

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