EOS 80D 1:1 aspect ratio not 1:1 in RAW

[boodabill]

Why is the 1:1 aspect ratio saved in RAW as a different proportion? I am tried of having to crop it back to 1:1? Does it make a difference in RAW which asprect ratio is selected?

Thanks in advence,

Bill

[Waddizzle · Accepted solution]

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@boodabill wrote:
No they appear with a larger than 1:1 ratio on the camera and in the EOS Utility once imported before I import them to Photos on Mac....

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You did not answer my questions.  So, I will suggest that you read page 146 in the Instruction Manual on setting Aspect Ratio.

[FloridaDrafter]

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@dneitzel wrote:

I have been shooting stills with my 7dii for 8 years now and have never had a reason to change the aspect ratio from the factory set 3:2...until today. I shoot in RAW/JPG and discovered that no matter what aspect ratio I choose the results are always 3:2...I find this annoying because why let me presume to change aspect rations when in fact, I cannot?
I tried shooting in just jpg and the results were exactly the same...
Finally, I tried shooting in "Live View" and WALLA....I can shoot in any of the indicated aspect ratios...but ONLY in "Live View"....interesting detour...One wonders why this is the case...and why the settings allow me to pretend to change aspect ratios when I am not using "Live View".

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I suspect that with DSLR's it is a live view feature only, as you have found, because what you are seeing through the VF is just through the lens and unprocessed like it is in live view. My MILC's show the ratio in the EVF because they show you what the sensor sees.

When shooting through the VF: I'm not sure how it works with anything but DPP, which is my primary raw editor, but on my DSLR's, I leave aspect ratio in the shooting menu at 3:2 and select the ratio I want in the C.Fn4 menu (on the 7D II) "Add cropping information". This will bring it into DPP at the ratio I pick. You can get the 3:2 back by clicking the "Clear" button.

When in LV: I set my ratio in the shooting menu. It comes into DPP just like as described above and I can leave it at that ratio of clear it back to 3:2.

This is a screen shot from DPP 4 with the cropping info added as described above. I used 6:6. You can add a grid if you like and resize your ratio.

This is the same shot from the 7D II with the aspect ratio cleared.

Newton

 

[dneitzel]

Thanks FloridaDrafter. That makes sense...even to me. But still, it would be nice if there was a notation in the menu that aspect ratio settings other than 3:2 will only take effect when using Live View...It would save me (and apparently others) a lot of head scratching, manual rereading and board searching...

[FloridaDrafter]

Sorry, dneitzel. I edited my reply after you read it so you might want to re-read it. I tried to clear it up a bit... I'm not very good at describing things, LOL!

Newton

[FloridaDrafter]

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@dneitzel wrote:

Thanks FloridaDrafter. That makes sense...even to me. But still, it would be nice if there was a notation in the menu that aspect ratio settings other than 3:2 will only take effect when using Live View...It would save me (and apparently others) a lot of head scratching, manual rereading and board searching...

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I agree!

This type of thing is why I like these new mirror-less cameras (MILC), a small part, but a bonus nonetheless. They use the sensor for both the EVF and live view, and with exposure simulation, WYSIWYG 🙂 I still use my 7D II and other DSLR's, but my MILC's get most of my attention.

Newton

[Stephen]

I'm not sure if this makes a difference, but I wanted to share my understanding of RAW files from the new hire training I attended over 15 years ago. A RAW file captures the "raw" information from the camera's sensor, similar to how film works. Unlike JPEG files, RAW files do not apply any Picture Style or effects, such as HDR, exposure compensation, or cropping. Instead, these in-camera settings are saved as "flags," which help photo editing software know how to process the digital "film negative."

When you import a RAW image into compatible editing software, it will reflect what you saw on your camera’s display. The RAW image itself is meant to remain unaltered, much like a film negative. This allows you to edit the image freely using software like DPP, Lightroom, or GIMP, similar to the process used in a traditional darkroom.

[FloridaDrafter]

Thanx, Stephen! I understand all of that. That is the reason the setting is "Add cropping information". I was trying to convey that to the person I responded to along with why only live view on DSLR's allows a preview of the set aspect ratio. Their second problem is that they are using Raw editors that do not utilize the embedded data like DPP does.

Newton

[Stephen]

My apologies, obviously you understand! 🤦🏻

I wanted to add my "two cents" to the conversation—to try to offer a different way of thinking about it—but I wasn't paying attention to who I was replying to. I meant to reply to the OP, not you! I apologize for the confusion! 😊

[dneitzel]

I have never used DPP. I use ON1 and/or Affinity. Either lets me crop automatically to my preferred aspect ratio regardless of what aspect ratio the camera was set for. I find that very handy since I shoot in 3:2 but often take the same original image and make different crops for different products...11x14 prints, 8x10 prints, 4x6 cards 16x9 stills for video and 1x1 plaques. Today was the first day I tried actually shooting in a different aspect ratio.