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Thoughts on EOS R1 sensor

Frito-1
Contributor

Hi All,

I have to admit that the 24MP sensor in the flagship camera is a bit of a disappointment.  I would like higher resolution without having to use PhotoShop to stitch pictures together.  Any one know why Canon did not go with a resolution closer to the R5?

Thanks in advance,

Fred

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jrhoffman75
Legend
Legend

I suggest the Moderator consider locking this thread. It is getting personal. 


John Hoffman
Conway, NH

R6 Mark III, M200, Many lenses, Pixma PRO-100, Pixma TR8620a, Lr Classic

😇

Cheers,
Joe
Ancora Imparo

"A good photograph is knowing where to stand."
--- Ansel Adams >
"You don’t take a photograph, you make it."
--- Ansel Adams

It wasn’t your thread I was referring to. There are several. 

John Hoffman
Conway, NH

R6 Mark III, M200, Many lenses, Pixma PRO-100, Pixma TR8620a, Lr Classic

I am not aware that I abused you or anyone else specifically. I made a general statement, but if you feel it applies to you that is a shame.

As to what your expectations are, regrettably Canon forgot to ask you and I can see that is an omission.

For the people they did consult: those I referred to in the link in my first post (which I wonder if you read) and echoed by others, the R1 is a tool for a very specific job and a specific market segment. The R5II is the camera for those who don't require those features or limitations of the R1 . Did you consider the R5Ii and, if so, what was unacceptable in that model?

Saying one wants "it all" is not very definitive of what 'it' is and what benefits that missing feature set is supposed to provide for you. I am puzzled the the R5Ii is not acceptable to you. Perhaps you could expand on that?

Are you a professional, and if so in what genre? What subjects do you shoot? What mediums do you publish in? What does your current gear or the R5Ii not do for you?  Giving all this context would add objectivity and gravitas to your expressed opinion.   I am not arguing that you don't like the camera (that's your right) I am challenging the purpose or point of your objections.


cheers, TREVOR

The mark of good photographer is less what they hold in their hand, it's more what they hold in their head;
"All the variety, all the charm, all the beauty of life is made up of light and shadow", Leo Tolstoy;
"Skill in photography is acquired by practice and not by purchase" Percy W. Harris

That’s Canon’s argument.  But there are a whole lot of people (myself included) who disagree: a camera costing $6200, in the year 2024, should offer both higher resolution and outstanding shooting performance simultaneously.  

Nikon and Sony deliver that.  Why can’t Canon?

And for god’s sake: no one is arguing that the camera should have 100mp.  But I think 30 would have been the minimum.  At 24mp, this camera is suited to one task and one task only.  Unless one is heavily invested in Canon glass, I cannot see why someone looking for a versatile pro body wouldn’t switch to Nikon or Sony.  

I guess the sales after a couple years will show us who is right.  But I suspect that the R1 won’t sell as well as the 1DX3 did.  I also predict that the Mark  II version of this camera will offer a significant bump in resolution.  

As I understand it you seem to suggest that Canon should be prepared to cater for two broad constituencies. The first being those working professions for whom this is a tool of the trade and will purchase it based on their pragmatic assessment of their professional needs and the benefits its features offer to fulfil them - and I would totally agree with that.  However, it is critical to understand what each market is comprised of, what benefits it values, and what features are required to offer value to them.

In the case of the R1, it is professionals in the sports, news and journalism fraternities who are the stated clients - and they have consistently maintained over many years been adamant that they don't need or want anything more than 24MP - and that is not just a matter of the sensor alone.  Sensor size has impacts on focusing, frame rate, processing time, buffering, storage space and transmission to their agencies or clients, who also have no use for large files that will end up on web pages or at most double-page magazine spreads. In that world speed and agility is everything.  Larger sensors are, to them an anathema because all through that pipeline they require too many resources.  Canon was absolutely clear about the results of their consultations with their clients in that respect.   Canon asked, the clients spoke, and Canon has provided.  That's how the market works.  If the configuration is not suitable, for your purposes, then you are not in the intended market, so pick another model.  That's how it works in all industries.

The other group would seem to be (excuse the vernacular) more focused on feature than function and who, as you yourself seem to say, will never leverage these tools for work, but may enjoy owning the tech. We can all get along with much less sophisticated gear - I make that point frequently. I still shoot on occasion with my old gear to make the point that technique is more important than tech.  That said, as an engineer and retired professional photographer, I love tech as much as the next person, but I would not spend money on a camera that have a use for.  I would rather save my money for the glass, which will likely have more of an impact on my images and be a longer-lasting investment.

Did it ever occur to you that such tech- oriented people will, almost by definition, never be satisfied? There will always be some element in these miracles of engineering that they lust after because some reviewer suggests that is a flaw, or another brand has prioritized a different feature set?  Each of these brands have their strengths. Just like there are many brands and models of cars - for a reason.

I shoot Canon, Fuji Nikon, Olympus and Sony - I say that to make the point that I am not being a Canon fan boy. I have, at times, been highly critical of one or two Canon models, and in particular how they have been marketed.  However, I have done so being specific in the issue, how that issue impacts the performance of the unit and how it does not service its constituent market.  I usually comment on how that could be improved, if I feel I can competently make that offering.

The simple truth is that if they were not all offering good product they would not have a market. It is also significant to follow the market share, where Canon remains dominant, so they are obviously doing something right for their wide range of customers. Certainly not perfect but neither are the others...  Personally, I think that variance and brand differential are good things - they make the market more agile and can cater for a wider variety of shooting needs.  Imagine if suddenly only one brand existed - I would be like something out of the Soviet Union. 🙂


cheers, TREVOR

The mark of good photographer is less what they hold in their hand, it's more what they hold in their head;
"All the variety, all the charm, all the beauty of life is made up of light and shadow", Leo Tolstoy;
"Skill in photography is acquired by practice and not by purchase" Percy W. Harris

Unfortunately, the thread went south when the mod called KifsterMD a troll. That was completely out of bounds. Nevertheless, I agree that the thread has run its course and should be locked before more name-calling ensues. 

Oh ok, not a problem 👌 

Cheers,
Joe
Ancora Imparo

"A good photograph is knowing where to stand."
--- Ansel Adams >
"You don’t take a photograph, you make it."
--- Ansel Adams

Can you please define in some specific term the value of " a whole lot of people"?  Considering neither camera has a production model in the actual market at this stage, I find it hard to see how more than the relatively small population of reviewers have had any experience with the pre-production units demonstrated only days ago.
One can look at the spec sheets, but that can be misleading - there is nothing like shooting with the gear to actually know how it works and that can be a very personal thing.  Furthermore, a lot of reviewers seem to get more clicks by being negative than positive about a new model, but I too am see "a lot of" reviewers who are generous in their praise of these cameras, but are quite specific on why and how it benefits the targeted users.

I would encourage you again to read the material in the link which I posted earlier and will repeat here.  Please DO take the time to read it and consider it objectively.  The Argument for Two Flagships   It clearly spells out the historical context and the current market space that the R1 is intended to support and their needs are directly in opposition to the ones you state.  Thus, instead of debating something you can't change, it makes sense from your own personal satisfaction to look at the model that likely was aimed at your needs: the R5II - it is also a top of the line unit but for a different purpose.


cheers, TREVOR

The mark of good photographer is less what they hold in their hand, it's more what they hold in their head;
"All the variety, all the charm, all the beauty of life is made up of light and shadow", Leo Tolstoy;
"Skill in photography is acquired by practice and not by purchase" Percy W. Harris

kifsterMD,

If you think that Nikon's and Sony's flagship are more capable and have more to offer than  Canon's cameras, then why is it that Nikon only has 8% market share and Sony only has 26% market share vs Canon's 45% of the market.  This tells me that most of the professional photo journalist and sport reporters are using a Canon..   

Cheers,
Joe
Ancora Imparo

"A good photograph is knowing where to stand."
--- Ansel Adams >
"You don’t take a photograph, you make it."
--- Ansel Adams
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