Thoughts on EOS R1 sensor

[Frito-1]

Hi All,

I have to admit that the 24MP sensor in the flagship camera is a bit of a disappointment.  I would like higher resolution without having to use PhotoShop to stitch pictures together.  Any one know why Canon did not go with a resolution closer to the R5?

Thanks in advance,

Fred

[John_SD]

tl;dr

[JFG]

Hello KifsterMD 

By the way you praise Nikon and Sony, it makes me think that you're enamored with those cameras and that you're not a canon user or fan.  Also, like Nikon and Sony, Canon is very aware of what they, the competition,  are offering and what the market needs are and that is why Canon outperformed both Nikon and Sony in 2023.  Click the link below as it will show you how well Canon knows its different markets and their needs.  https://www.techradar.com/cameras/canon-is-still-the-worlds-most-popular-camera-brand-according-to-a...

As mentioned before by kvbarkley, "If you really want Canon to hear this, send feedback. We can do less than a military chaplain, here.

Go to the main canon usa page and find the little '+' button: "

I'm sure they will listen to you and take note, however, as a for profit entity,  Canon will make its decisions based on market needs and the concensus of the majority.  If you read the link I posted above, you will understand.    "You can satisfy some of the people some the time but you can't satisfy all of the people all of the time."

I like Trevor, I suggest that you practice your right to exercise your freedom to choose what is best for you.   "If you think that those brands are better, then the joy of a free society is for you to go and purchase one of those.  That is your privilege and right.   My right is to challenge the basic assumptions of your whole argument." by Trevor 

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[Tronhard]

What is so mildly depressing about all this is the concentration the folks have on what they have not got to satisfy their tech addiction, rather than appreciating what a massively powerful camera each of these represents in its own way.   We have become a world of whiners, when nothing is ever good enough because we seek a technological development that will somehow release the latent genius that is within us.  We just need this or that update.

It is always a good idea to look back at the skills and talents of photographers of the past - the likes of Ansel Adams, Joseph Karsh, Lee Miller, Vivian Maier and Eugène Atget: each a huge talent in their discipline of choice.  I would suggest they didn't spend their lives with regrets about what technical feature they lacked, they got on with being a good photographer.  We can learn a lot from them...

I would hazard that the vast majority of people who demand this or that feature will never actually need it, they are more focused on the spec sheets that taking good images.   

[John_SD]

"Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain – and most fools do.” ~                    Dale Carnegie

"Whiners whine, winners perform."

The legitimate critiques in this thread are about the R1, not thinly veiled name-calling of other posters. 

[KifsterMD]

I'll refer you to my previous post about being a loyal Canon user.  I use a 5D3 and a 1DX3 and have four L lenses for these.

I'm not 'enamored' by any brand, nor was it my intent to praise Nikon or Sony.  I was merely pointing out some basic facts about their offerings intended to compete with Canon's R1.  By the specs alone, The A1, A9III, and Z9 are overall stronger products.  And much of that has to do with the sensors.

True, Canon has had the greater market share and has been the go-to camera brand for sports and newspaper photographers for some decades now.  I suspect much of it had to do with the advent of their EOS system (and EF mount) along with the superb advertising campaign in the 80's that presented it as the camera brand for active people.  And although I've never used Nikon, I do know that Canon's lens technology was certainly ahead of Nikon's for the 80's, 90's, and early 2000's.  

Sony is a latecomer, but it had a long track-record of making electronics including camcorders and, being a much larger company, had plenty of money to invest in its photography business.  They also got the jump on the mirrorless camera.

[KifsterMD]

Can we keep this discussion civil, please?

I am not bashing the camera.  And let's face it: the capability of these pro- bodies has exceeded all of our abilities back in the 90's and early 2000's.  The overwhelming majority of us will fail to use any of these cameras to their fullest potentials.  My 5D3 has 61 AF points and I've probably never used more than ten of them, nor have I ever used any of its focus tracking features.  (On my 1DX3, I have a handful of times, but there are myriad other features I have not nor will I ever use).

But that's beside the point, isn't it.  Photography is, fortunately or unfortunately, as much a tech game as much as it is a practical endeavor.  People do compare specs and numbers.  And you better believe that Canon, Nikon, Sony, and all the other manufacturers know this.  (Maybe Leica is the sole exception, as they continue to sell marginally-spec'ed cameras for ridiculous prices).

Does the R1 take fantastic photos?  Probably does.  But so does my old 5D3.  If the photos were all we critiqued, then we'd all be shooting with DSLRs from the early 2000's.  They took amazing photos.  My wedding was shot back in 2002 with a 6mp Nikon and the photos were perfect.

[KifsterMD]

5D3 and 1DX3.  24-105L, 28-300L, 100-400ii L, EF50 f/1.2L

[Frito-1]

People have the right of a free society to express an opinion without brand biased name calling. I know two professionals that switched to another brand.  It speaks volumes when a person, that uses photography to put food on the table, makes a switch that costs over $12,000 in one case and almost $26,000 in the other. I have been expecting a stellar camera that does it all at $6K.  Canon is providing the equipment for the Olympics. I expect absolutely nothing less than rave reviews. Thus, I wait for the reviews of the people that spend the money.  

[ntkophoto]

24 MP is plenty for 95% of the work of working professionals. This camera is about speed and precision, the R5II is the Swiss Army knife for pixel peepers. This camera is about delivering images reliably and quickly...45 MP is totally unnecessary and a burden when you needed the image ten minutes ago.

[ntkophoto]

You obviously are not a working pro, and will never understand. Your arguments are worthless to those of us who are.