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Problem with 400mm L 5.6 clarity

pahranagatman
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On image tests my 400mm L 5.6 is performing significantly less sharp than my new 100-400mm lense. The only think I can think of that would have damaged the 400 was condensaton in the body from temperature changes. Shots are all tribod and cable triggered. No filters on either lens. This is of course cropped way in. Any ideas? The 400 is about 9 months old. Can it be cleaned internally?

 

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7D, EFS 18-55 IS, 400mm L 5.6f, 100-400mm L
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ebiggs1
Legend
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The top photo looks OOF so if it is there is no way to tell if the lens is "sharp" or not. Maybe you were too close?

EB
EOS 1DX and 1D Mk IV and less lenses then before!

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amfoto1
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It is possible the lens' focus is out of calibration. Focus mechanisms can wear with use or just get out of adjustment with a bump or even be mis-adjusted from new. This can be adjusted and corrected, worn or faulty parts can be replaced if needed.

 

IMO it's unlikely that the lens needs cleaning inside. Usually stuff inside a lens - even a lot - doesn't effect focus and sharpness very much... It causes flare, veiling, loss of contrast and reduced color saturation.  If images showed uneven sharpness, that might indicate a decentered lens element or group, another problem that often can be corrected. But just judging from your sample images, there don't appear to be problems of those types. I doubt you'll find anything of significance, but you can inspect the inside of a lens with a flashlight. Just don't panic if you see some specks of dust here and there. Those are common and not a problem unless there's a lot... a whole lot!

 

You probably should just send the lens in and have it checked and calibrated.  

 

However, there are other things you can look for first, to rule out as possibilites...

 

1. As already suggested, that lens' closest focusing distance is about 3.5 meters (11.5 feet). If closer than that, you won't be able to focus So, yes, be sure you simply aren't trying to focus too close.  (Notes: For comparison, your 100-400mm's closest focusing distance is 1.8 meters/5.9 feet. Also, adding a macro extension tube will allow the lens to focus closer).

 

2. Do you have a filter on the lens? If so, try without it. Quality filters can be helpful in some situations, but cheaper ones can make a mess of images and some lenses simply don't work well with the filters (actually your 100-400mm is one that is pretty widely known to not work well with filters... even good ones).

 

3. You mention using a tripod and remote release, and those are good for tests like these. Are you also locking up the mirror? At certain longer shutter speeds (usually between roughly 1/30 and 1 second) mirror slap can sometimes cause enough vibration to give some camera shake blur in images. The 100-400's Image Stabilization should be able to correct for that. But the 400/5.6L doesn't have IS, so would be more prone to show any vibration effects. When using really long telephotos without IS, at times I've put a beanbag on top of the camera and lens to help prevent vibrations, too.

 

You didn't mention what camera you are using, but an APS-C 1.6X crop model is more susceptible to camera shake, than a full frame model would be. On the other hand, the larger mirrors in full frame models are more likely to give mirror slap effects (all have some dampening, I'm sure.... but it likely varies with different models) .  

 

Also, Canon has published a white paper about the 18MP APS-C cameras being particularly susceptible to any form of vibration... They recommend using slightly higher shutter speeds to offset this, especially with the crop cameras with very dense sensors.

 

4.  Hopefully you are using One Shot focus for those test shots. Be sure to restrict to only the center AF point. And  If your camera has it, try using Live View. That employs a completely different method of focusing and is a good way to test the camera and lens.

 

5. Use a clean rag lightly dampened with a few drops of isopropyl (rubbing) alcohol to clean the electronic contacts on the back of the lens. Perhaps some oils or dirt on the contacts are interrupting communication between the camera and lens, effecting focus.

 

Those are things you can try yourself at no cost. Since the lens is less than a year old, it should still be under warranty, so I wouldn't hesitate to send it in to Canon for calibration, if none of the above helps.

 

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You know there is supposed to be a 400mm f5.6 IS coming in 2014.

EB
EOS 1DX and 1D Mk IV and less lenses then before!

Harv
Contributor

Keep this in mind..... when it comes to filters, you get what you pay for.  A cheap, poor quality filter will degrade your image noticeably.  A high quality filter will not.  If you are prepared to spend the money to purchase a high quality B+W or Hoya Pro1 filter, you should not see any image quality loss.

Harv
Contributor

One more thing.  A 1.4xTC used on your 400/5.6 will not allow it to autofocus on the 7D.  That will only work on the 1-Series cameras or the 5D3 as it turns your lens into f/8 and your 7D will only autofocus with f/5.6 or larger apertures.

Using Hoya NXT when I'm walking around in the sand blaster known as Nevada. Leaving the Hoya Alpha in the junk bin. Not going to bother with 1.4x.

 

Looking at replaceing the 400mm with a 500mm L non-IS with autofocus. Any down sides to this? My guess is that auto focus and lens glass tech hasn't changed much in a long time. So even if its an older lens, it should be OK. I'll post this as a new thread. This tread has gotten off subject.

7D, EFS 18-55 IS, 400mm L 5.6f, 100-400mm L

@OP, you mentioned your concern for the lack of IS on the 400 f/5.6L for walking around...If I may offer one tip...shoot at 1/1000 or faster to get razor sharp images.  The aperture will park at 5.6 almost all the time but that's OK because this lens is sharp wide open. 99% of my shots are hand-held with incredible results (for me anyways)

 

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Another tip I'd like to offer is to reduce the MFD (min focus distance), use an extension tube.  I use a Canon 25mm tube to cut the MFD down to 6 feet which is perfect for taking pictures of hummingbirds


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yoramp
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Hi,

I'm also having blur problems, I just bought the lens and found out this awful blur - looks as a double image shadow. Does anyone know if it's the Canon 60D camera or the lens 400 5.6 lens problem?

I used a steady tripod and high speed shutter.

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"I used a steady tripod and high speed shutter."

 

What tripod?  And what shutter speed?

BTW, a "steady tripod does not mean you can't jiggle the camera when you trip the shutter.

Your photos could be OOF, movement or extreme enlargement. So way more info from you is needed.

EB
EOS 1DX and 1D Mk IV and less lenses then before!

I agree with ebiggs1...There is a possibility there is something wrong with the lens but then it might be user technique too. When I first got the 400mm f/5.6L my pictures used to look like yours too (well maybe not quite as bad, but close). It's not easy to use a 400mm.

I used to have a $50 tripod I thought was sturdy and even on this tripod, my pictures are just as blurry at lower shutter speeds. I now own a tripod that costs 8 times that much...and when I shoot handheld, never below 1/1000 and always with controlled breathing and the weaver shooting stance...My pictures went from blurry messes initially to razor sharp images this lens is capable of producing.
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Very well said!  Smiley Happy

EB
EOS 1DX and 1D Mk IV and less lenses then before!

Hello guys, thanks a lot for your responds. I use a very steady 055 Manfrotto tripod with a 3D head. I'm a very experienced photographer - I nearly certain it is not my mal technique usage. I also used very high speed shutter so if it was a movement it shuld have been eliminated or unseen. I'm quit sure there is some calibration needed. I never had such a broblem before. I guess I'll have to send it to the Canon lab to find out..

Here is another picture with a stedy subject, same tripod, 2500 shutter speed.As you can see it is cropped to 100% enlargement. You can clesrly see this annoying dubble image.

Thanks again for your try to help.

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