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Re: Which lens is best paired with Canon 5Ds for bird photography

No, I will not be parting with my 5Ds. I was just curious about the mirrorless especially a lot of people saying it's much lighter and smaller than DSLRs.

 

Are there specific reasons you don't recommend the Sony a7R mark iv? I thought that the camera has very good reviews? Also, I heard with an adaptor you can make use of the existing Canon lens.

 

Thanks!

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Thank you. I don't think I'll be rushing out to get the R anytime soon. In fact, I thought I heard there are the R5 and RP. Not sure why so many flavors. 

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"Lastly, as for the Tamron, I thought someone said it is pretty big and would need a suitcase to carry around. Unfortunately, that would defeat my purpose of trying to reduce weight."

 

Don't believe everything you read!  Except form me of course!  Smiley Wink  In the unzoomed condition it isn't a great deal longer than the 70-200mm f2.8 with the tel-con attached.  Is it bigger, yeah, it is. It is 600mm of FL.  Like I said before weight and birding go together.  There is just so much that can be done on the weight side before you compromise on IQ.

 

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Re: Which lens is best paired with Canon 5Ds for bird photography


@ebiggs1 wrote:

"...the R as the prototype for Canon's serious mirrorless line. It's not something you'd buy now."

 

There is no way on God's green Earth I would trade a 5Ds for a R or much less a Sony!  Smiley Sad


I agree.  The buffering in the top-of-the-line Sony bodies is atrocious. A burst of 20 shots, which is easy to do at 20 fps.  It can take MINUTES to clear out.  Meanwhile, you are not able to take more shots until the buffer clears.  The R5 sounds promising!

 

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"Anyway, what is your thought of 400mm f5.6 USM L lens? The reviews I have seen seem very positive. It's a prime lens therefore it is sharper than zoom lens. Also, it is not as heavy as the 70-200 f2.8 II or the 100-400 mark II."

 

All reports say that it is an excellent lens for wildlife.  I would prefer to use it on an APS-C body like the 7D2, though, so that I can get the "free" extra focal length from the cropping.  Shooting with a super telephoto prime is a very different experience from using more normal lenses.  There is a definite learning curve associated with using a super tele.  

 

You are viewing the world through a straw.  Some people can acclimate to it, while some can never get the hang of finding their subjects while looking through a straw.  As good as the lens is, I would still recommend a super telephoto zoom over the 400mm prime for that lone reason.

 

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Re: Which lens is best paired with Canon 5Ds for bird photography

For birding, the weight savings of mirrorless don't mean much since you will have a heavy chunk of glass attached to the camera Smiley Happy

 

And don't sell the 5DS R short, it isn't my first choice for low light, fast action sports (I have 1DX through 1DX III bodies which excel under those conditions) but the 5DS R does quite well under a wide range of conditions.  I took it to one HS basketball game as a third body for bench/crowd shots with a 24-70 F2.8 lens but took a few action shots with it just to test and below is one.  It doesn't compare well to what my 1DX series bodies did with 300 F2.8 and 70-200 F2.8 lens mounted for that game but it was definitely handicapped by its less speedy focusing 24-70 lens and was better for sports than I expected.

 

The shot below was at ISO 2000 but I bumped it up nearly a full stop in post and it is highly cropped from a larger capture. 

 

I shot a lot of soccer with a Canon 400 F5.6, often with a 1.4X in place and it is a very nice lens and one of the standout value for price lens in the Canon line and if it is long enough for your needs it does a great job.  I switched to a Canon 400 F2.8 which is even sharper and takes extenders with less loss of sharpness and contrast but that comes at a huge dollar and weight increase.

 

I had a chance to pick up a 5DS R at a compelling price and I found that I use it far more than I expected.  The only change I made was adding the Canon battery grip because I really missed the portrait orientation duplicate controls of the 1 series bodies.

 

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"Another choice I like a lot and most folks don't know about is the EF 300mm f4 L IS lens.  With the same tel-con it gives you a 420mm f5.6 lens only now you have IS.  Win, win!  These are probably the lightest options for you while maintaining top IQ."

 

The OP is using the 2x teleconverter, not the 1.4x.  

 

I would not recommend using any teleconverters with a 5DS.  I think they have a built in crop mode.  Besides, AF speed will probably take a significant hit in a body that does not have high frame rate to begin with.

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"And don't sell the 5DS R short, it isn't my first choice for low light, fast action sports ..."

 

Absolutely.  I hate it when people claim this camera can and that camera can't.  Is there better cameras for a specific situation, of course but it doesn't mean that any other camera can't.  There are hundreds of cameras out there that are worse than owning a 5Ds for birding.

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@ebiggs1 wrote:

"And don't sell the 5DS R short, it isn't my first choice for low light, fast action sports ..."

 

Absolutely.  I hate it when people claim this camera can and that camera can't.  Is there better cameras for a specific situation, of course but it doesn't mean that any other camera can't.  There are hundreds of cameras out there that are worse than owning a 5Ds for birding.


No one said that, Ernie.  

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Re: Which lens is best paired with Canon 5Ds for bird photography

You are absolutely accurate on this. The AF speed drops a fair bit with the extender in place, and I don't think this is unique to the 5Ds.

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@limvo05 wrote:

You are absolutely accurate on this. The AF speed drops a fair bit with the extender in place, and I don't think this is unique to the 5Ds.


It is not unique, but some bodies suffer worse than others.  The 2x teleconverter is far worse than the more popular 1.4x.

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