09-24-2020 01:37 PM
I am currently using a canon EOS Rebel XTi and I want to upddate to a newer camera. I have 2 EOS lenses. The standard kit lense and the canon 75 - 300mm. I also use the Tamron18 - 270mm F/3.5-6.3 I am an amatuer but ready to move up. Any suggestions on what canon eos to consider.
My main interests are portraits (people and animals, nature, and horses in motion. I take many action shots. I was considering the canon EOS 80D but read it was not a good choice for action shots.
Thanks to any who respond
katie96
09-25-2020 05:45 PM
Yes, that sounds like me too.
Wayne
09-25-2020 06:25 PM - edited 09-25-2020 06:42 PM
The EF-L 100-400mm is a good lens, so you are absolutely right to keep that one. On the subject of the general purpose lenses, the 18-135 is a great lens, I have ended up with three of them - two of the STM version and one of the newer USM version. Frankly, there is not much optically to call between the STM and USM versions from what I have seen, so you may as well go for the STM and save some cash. If you are leary of buying second-hand I would recommend looking at Canon's refurubished gear site and you may see some units there. Essentially, they are as good as new, come with a warranty but at a lower price point.
If your 18-55 is the same age as your T4i then it is going to be MUCH slower to focus than either the STM or USM technology. The USM will be the fastest, but the STM is no slouch either...
If you want to stick to the Rebel line the T8i (850D) is out and you could get the body with the 18-135 lens as a kit perhaps. Note, however, that the SCN modes have been reduced so you will get the same issue as you mentioned about the 90D.
Here are a couple of reviews of this body:
https://www.kenrockwell.com/canon/t8i.htm
https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-EOS-Rebel-T8i.aspx
https://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/canon-t8i/canon-t8iA.HTM
If you want good tutorial material on shutter speed check these links out:
https://www.photographytalk.com/beginner-photography-tips/shutter-speed-explained
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZnVucOeXfQ
https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2020/07/photography-fundamentals-how-shutter-speed-changes-your-pho...
https://photographylife.com/landscapes/shutter-speed-explained-for-beginners
https://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/camera-exposure.htm
09-25-2020 07:11 PM
Thanks Trevor!
I'm just looking over the article on shutter speed (bird in flight set to 1/800 to 1/2000). It will take me a while to dig through all your material, LOL. But I'll start with the shutter speed info.
Yes my 18-55mm came with the T4i so it is 7 or 8 years old.
Wayne
09-25-2020 11:48 PM - edited 09-25-2020 11:48 PM
If you like video tutorials, there is one by National Geographic photographer Chris Bray HERE . Hopefully you won't be thrown by his Australian accent!
It might also be worthwhile going to your local library website and searching the catalogue for Lynda.com. This website has a huge range for video tutorials by excellent instructors that cover every aspect of photography from the basics to advanced topics, and from hardware to post production techniques. Normally access to this is by subscription, but many libraries offer their members free access - it's a great resource.
09-26-2020 04:13 PM
First attempt at shutter priority 1/320, ISO 3200, apterture automatically set itself, but it was f16.
09-26-2020 05:16 PM
@Wayne3 wrote:First attempt at shutter priority 1/320, ISO 3200, apterture automatically set itself, but it was f16.
Was ISO set to Auto, too. When you are in Av or Tv modes, they work better when you dial in an ISO setting. In this way, the camera is only controlling one leg of the Exposure Triangle. I recommend Av or M modes for wildlife and sports photography.
09-26-2020 06:13 PM
09-26-2020 06:23 PM - edited 09-27-2020 03:01 AM
@Wayne3 wrote:First attempt at shutter priority 1/320, ISO 3200, apterture automatically set itself, but it was f16.
Hi Wayne:
First, congratulations on stepping out of the SCN comfort zone and trying new methods. Like all new experiences there is much to evaluate - as Henri Cartier-Bresson, the famous photographer said " Your first 10,000 photographs are your worst."
Deciding whether to go for M, Av or Tv as a means of controlling the image is the first, and one of the biggest decisions when engaging in photographing a subject type. The image exposure looks good with a decent amount of contrast and colour saturation, so the overall exposure settings work for me.
There are a couple of issues that bear further consideration.
1. The amount of noise (as Bill pointed out)
2. The movement of the head of the bird (is it a woodpecker?) is slight, but noticeable. That may not be a bad thing, but with just the slight movement, it neither gives us the bird's eye in clear focus, nor indicates the fast movement of the head against the still body to emphasize the speed of pecking - either of which is a valid artistic effect.
Looking at the EXIF data these are the settings of your shot:
Aperture Shutter Speed ISO Focal Length
f/16, 1/320sec, 3200, 400mm
Consider the principles of the exposure triangle where each change in any of the settings by one unit alters the exposure by 1 EV (exposure value). An EV represents a doubling (+1EV) or halving (-1EV) of the the exposure, and all of the values for aperture, shutter and ISO are aligned with them.
The point is, using EV units allows you to switch up and down the values between the three variables using the consistent units of exposure, thus you would get the same exposure but different results with the following sets of modified values.
Aperture Shutter Speed ISO Change Result
f/16 1/320 sec 3200 Original settings
f/8 1/640 sec 3200 Av +1EV, SS -1EV & ISO - 0EV: shallower DoF, faster shutter, same ISO
f/8 1/320 sec 1600 Av +1EV, SS 0EV & ISO - 1EV: shallower DoF, same shutter, lower ISO - less noise
f/5.6 1/640 sec 1600 Av +2EV, SS - 1EV & ISO - 1EV: shallower DoF, faster shutter, lower ISO - less noise
Gauging Aperture and DoF:
Making sure your subject is in focus, but with just the right DoF is all about the aperture. Since you were taking your shot at some distance with a long telephoto three things come into play when considering your DoF:
a) The further the subject, the deeper the DoF
b) The longer the focal length, the shallower the DoF
c) The smaller the f-value, the shallower the DoF
The trick here is to decide (often quickly) how these things will impact on your choice of settings.
Like Waddizzle, by an large, I shoot wildlife in Av mode: even birds. This may seem counter-intuitive as one wants to control the movement of the bird, but very often, as in this case, you want to give some separation between the subject and its surroundings. (That is where using spot focus becomes helpful, so you can isolate the subject from the clutter.) However, the following will hopefully make sense, even if you choose Tv mode.
Unlike Bill, (and I respect his choice there) I personally let the camera choose the ISO, but I keep it in a conservative range - normally no higher than 800, especially considering this is an older camera with a less sophisticated sensor, however for this exercise we will stick with a maximum ISO of 1600.
What that does is allow me to consider just two setting in my viewfinder: Tv and Av. I can change either one (so this could work for Av and Tv mode too), but being immediately aware of the effect on the other.
At f/16 you are going to have quite a deep DoF, some of which you do not necessarily need, my first reaction would be to have reduced the f-value to f/8 (+1EV) or f/5.6 (+2EV). That leaves flexibility to improve shutter speed and/or ISO.
In this case, if I had an ISO set to a maximum of 1600, then I could select either of the following combinations:
f/16 1/320 sec 3200 Original settings
f/8 1/320 sec 1600 Av +1EV, SS 0EV & ISO -1EV: shallower DoF, same SS but less noise
f/5.6 1/640 sec 1600 Av +2EV, SS -1EV & ISO -1EV: shallow DoF, stop movement, less noise
If I was shooting in M mode I could set both aperture and SS and let the camera sort out the ISO, e.g.
f/5.6 1/160 sec 400 Av +2EV, SS +1EV & ISO -3EV: shallow DoF, increase movement, v low noise
f/8 1/160 sec 800 Av +1EV, SS +1EV & ISO -2EV: shallow DoF, increase movement, less noise
As you can see there are many choices, and practise and experience will help you make the operation simpler over time.
The trick now is take a lot of photos and experiment, then evaluate your images.
09-26-2020 06:51 PM
Sorry, I had to make a slew of changes as I got distracted and had some input errors. That should all be sorted now!
09-26-2020 11:47 PM
Thanks Waddizzle,
Yes, I did dial in the ISO, although probably too high!
The light was low, and I had just read for birds the slow end for shutter speed is 1/800. I wasn't going to get close so I really bumped up the ISO. Of course, that meant the camera set the aperture to 16 instead of wide open (which is 5.6 at 400mm for my lens).Oops. Nonetheless, a good experiment for me. I chose shutter priority because after reading Trevor's comments I realized of the exposure triangle I have a vague sense of aperture and ISO. I had no knowledge of shutter speed, so messing around was my very rudimentary beginning to learn. I appreciate you folks guiding me along!
Wayne
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