New M-5

[RobertTheFat]

Does the new M-5 advance the mirrorless ball (other than in the obvious way of finally providing a built-in eye-level viewfinder)?

The specs are rather vague regarding the camera's aotofocus system. One can read them as implying that there is no manual selection of AF points.

[ebiggs1]

WOW, I missed that one!  What Canon camera doesn't use a SD card?  Thanx for the heads up.  I am glad they finally got rid of the need for a card reader.  Which model?

[TTMartin]

How to upload images to the web directly from your Wi-Fi camera - Canon

In this tutorial we show you how to set up a Canon camera with Wi-Fi connectivity to share or back up directly to a web service. Services include Email, Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, Flickr, Google Drive and Canon irista

[Waddizzle]

"It came out a little garbled..."

Its not the only "garbled" thing you said.  You missed as Canon does, the point completely!  The fact your son goes through all that BS is the point. A person with a cell phone shoots and post to FB, or whatever.   Period, done with that.  No waiting to go home.  No computer. No SD card. No card reader. No converting. No mess, period.

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Read my lips.   "Wi-Fi." 

No computer.  No card reader.  No converting.  No mess, period.  You only need that stuff if your camera has no Wi-Fi, like the 7D2 example I cited.  The EOS M3 has Wi-Fi, and so should the M5. 

Why re-invent the wheel?  Why inflate the cost of the camera by including all of the smartphone electronics, which is totally unnecessary?  Give the cameras Wi-Fi and Bluetooth, and that's it.  They don't need 3G, 4G, or any Gs.  Including that in a camera is another bill to pay a phone carrier.  Nobody would buy your camera.  They would buy the one that connects to their phone for FREE, at no additional cost.

[ebiggs1]

I am not surprised you two guys can't contemplate this but I have certain confidence that everyone else that reads this will understand the complete difference.

Until a P&S like the M5 or any of the other Powershot style P&S works like a cell phone, Canon's sales of this market will continue to drop.  It is dropping like a rock as we speak.  It is doing so for the other makers as well.

You guys need to get out more.  Get away from the keyboard. See what's going on.  Bye fi rnow!  

[TTMartin]

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@ebiggs1 wrote:

I am not surprised you two guys can't contemplate this but I have certain confidence that everyone else that reads this will understand the complete difference.

Until a P&S like the M5 or any of the other Powershot style P&S works like a cell phone, Canon's sales of this market will continue to drop.  It is dropping like a rock as we speak.  It is doing so for the other makers as well.

You guys need to get out more.  Get away from the keyboard. See what's going on.  Bye fi rnow!  

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The M5 is an interchangeable lens, mirrorless camera, not a point and shoot camera.

How to upload images to the web directly from your Wi-Fi camera - Canon

In this tutorial we show you how to set up a Canon camera with Wi-Fi connectivity to share or back up directly to a web service. Services include Email, Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, Flickr, Google Drive and Canon irista

Canon is still sells more interchangeable lens cameras (dSLR and mirrorless combined) than anyone else. And Canon's marketshare is really a strawman argument as it relates to Canon WiFi/Bluetooth cameras being able to post directly to social media. Of course the link above shows you were wrong about that, so out comes the strawman.

[Waddizzle]

"Until a P&S like the M5 or any of the other Powershot style P&S works like a cell phone, Canon's sales of this market will continue to drop.  It is dropping like a rock as we speak.  It is doing so for the other makers as well."

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If the sales of P&S cameras are dropping, it is not because the cameras don't "work like a cell phone."  It is because cell phones are getting better at taking pictures, and are beginning to work like a P&S camera.

All digital cameras, not just P&S cameras, need to stay well ahead of a smart phone's ability to take pictures.  Camera devices need to offer something smart phones do not and can not, not the other way around.  Cameras need to become an extension of a smartphone, not compete with them.

[RobertTheFat]

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@ebiggs1 wrote:

I am not surprised you two guys can't contemplate this but I have certain confidence that everyone else that reads this will understand the complete difference.

Until a P&S like the M5 or any of the other Powershot style P&S works like a cell phone, Canon's sales of this market will continue to drop.  It is dropping like a rock as we speak.  It is doing so for the other makers as well.

You guys need to get out more.  Get away from the keyboard. See what's going on.  Bye fi rnow!  

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If you see the M-5 as a high-end Powershot wannabe, then I suggest that you're the one who needs to get out more.

Here's a proposition for you to discuss, Ernie: "The M-6 is the reason there will never be a T8i."

[TTMartin]

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@RobertTheFat wrote:

If you see the M-5 as a high-end Powershot wannabe, then I suggest that you're the one who needs to get out more.

Here's a proposition for you to discuss: "The M-6 is the reason there will never be a T8i."

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I would go as far as to say the M5 is the reason Canon is fire selling the SL1 with a EF-S 18-55 IS STM lens for $329.

With the M5 there is no longer a need for a small light weight dSLR.

In my opinion with the Dual-Pixal AF sensor and HD OLED viewfinder, and native EOS control the entire EF lens line, the M-5 leaps into position of the best APS-C mirrorless camera available. I have long said that Canon had all the parts to build the best mirrorless camera, they just need to put them all together in one camera, with the M5 they finally did.

[Waddizzle]

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@TTMartin wrote:

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@RobertTheFat wrote:

If you see the M-5 as a high-end Powershot wannabe, then I suggest that you're the one who needs to get out more.

Here's a proposition for you to discuss: "The M-6 is the reason there will never be a T8i."

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I would go as far as to say the M5 is the reason Canon is fire selling the SL1 with a EF-S 18-55 IS STM lens for $329.

With the M5 there is no longer a need for a small light weight dSLR.

In my opinion with the Dual-Pixal AF sensor and HD OLED viewfinder, and native EOS control the entire EF lens line, the M-5 leaps into position of the best APS-C mirrorless camera available. I have long said that Canon had all the parts to build the best mirrorless camera, they just need to put them all together in one camera, with the M5 they finally did.

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I've been saying just about the same about the M3.  It is a real sleeper of a camera.  It has a 24MP APS-C sensor, a DIGIC 6 processor, Wi-Fi, 45 AF points, can use EF lenses, and more.  It is perfect for traveling light. 

The biggest downside is the battery life of roughly 200 shots.  EF-M lenses are smaller than EF lenses, too.  Using an EF lens can present a real drain.  I have only used small EF lenses, and manual focus lenses.  The Rokinon 14mm shoots great on it.  So does the 40mm pancake, which I used to shoot the castle.

[RobertTheFat]

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@Waddizzle wrote:

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@TTMartin wrote:

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@RobertTheFat wrote:

If you see the M-5 as a high-end Powershot wannabe, then I suggest that you're the one who needs to get out more.

Here's a proposition for you to discuss: "The M-6 is the reason there will never be a T8i."

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I would go as far as to say the M5 is the reason Canon is fire selling the SL1 with a EF-S 18-55 IS STM lens for $329.

With the M5 there is no longer a need for a small light weight dSLR.

In my opinion with the Dual-Pixal AF sensor and HD OLED viewfinder, and native EOS control the entire EF lens line, the M-5 leaps into position of the best APS-C mirrorless camera available. I have long said that Canon had all the parts to build the best mirrorless camera, they just need to put them all together in one camera, with the M5 they finally did.

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I've been saying just about the same about the M3.  It is a real sleeper of a camera.  It has a 24MP APS-C sensor, a DIGIC 6 processor, Wi-Fi, 45 AF points, can use EF lenses, and more.  It is perfect for traveling light. 

The biggest downside is the battery life of roughly 200 shots.  EF-M lenses are smaller than EF lenses, too.  Using an EF lens can present a real drain.  I have only used small EF lenses, and manual focus lenses.  The Rokinon 14mm shoots great on it.  So does the 40mm pancake, which I used to shoot the castle.

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Traditionally, the other big downside of EVF cameras is the delay between what you see and what you get. (It's the reason my wife and I gave up on our Powershots and bought XTi's, about a dog's age ago.) How does the M-3 (and, by inference, the M-5) measure up in that regard?