More R5 info

[John_SD]

Hopefully this won't get deleted, but Tech Radar interviewed David Parry of Canon (a product marketing specialist) and asked several questions about the R5. Some interesting stuff. I look forward to the camera's release. The last time I posted some info about the R5, in which a Canon source confirmed specs, our crackerjack mods deleted it almost immediately. 

[wq9nsc]

Two simple questions:

1.What would improve with the current 1DX III by going mirrorless?

2. What would be worse?

I can answer #2 easily.  A far worse viewfinder system that would be a tremendous negative for sports, reduced battery life (image sensor and A/D converter constantly operating, EVF and its support subsystem constantly operating), and unless Canon has done some new magic then a constantly active image sensor is going to have degraded noise performance from thermal gain especially noticeable in low light sports shooting.

Mirrorless makes plenty of sense for those liveview aficionados and those who shoot a lot of video but this doesn't describe the intended market for the 1DX.  A lot of people also couldn't understand why the 1DX III didn't increase resolution but for its intended purpose the 20 MP sensor is perfect for the intended workflow and provides better noise performance than a higher res sensor of the same technology and area.

With the lens most often used on a 1DX series camera, saving a small amount of weight due to losing the mirror mechanism is in the noise.  A 1DX is heavy because even using the more expensive metal compounds it is heavier because it is built tougher than the other series bodies to stand up to rough handling and work very well with the great white primes.

I am confident that I will own a mirrorless in the future and I could easily see replacing my 5DS R with a mirrorless at some point.  But I am not going to replace a 1DX III with mirrorless just because it says mirrorless in order to get a camera that doesn't suit its intended purpose as well as the current mirror type.  What next, mirror's cause COVID-19?  The 1DX III outperforms anything in Canon's line (and anyone else's line) for sports shooting and although Canon will certainly bring out a 1 series mirrorless, until they manage to overcome the drawbacks for sports they will either continue to offer a top end DSLR or make the CEO of Nikon/Mitsu Heavy VERY happy by ceding that market segment.

Rodger

[John_SD]

There is more to enthusiast photography than shooting amateur sports from the stands or sidelines. YMMV. 

[ebiggs1]

"Two simple questions:"

One simple question, why is there no pro level mirrorless, they are not ready for prime time............yet!  No matter how much you want it to be so, it ain't.

[John_SD]

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@ebiggs1 wrote:

"Two simple questions:"

One simple question, why is there no pro level mirrorless, they are not ready for prime time............yet!  No matter how much you want it to be so, it ain't.

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Ernie, we've been over this before. Pros all over the world are using mirrorless cameras now. Certainly not in the numbers that are using long-established DSLRs, but pros are using the Sony A9, A92, Nikon Z7, etc. I define a pro as someone who earns his living from photography. There is more to the world than small-town Kansas, Ernie, which seems to be your stumbling block. In think in time, you will figure this out and come around. 

[ebiggs1]

"...but pros are using the Sony A9, A92, Nikon Z7, etc."

I'll ignor your condescending remarks and calmly tell you something you seem to not know.  Pros may use a mirrorless camera but that does not make the camera a pro level model.  There are no pro level mirrorless cameras.  No matter how much you might try to spin it.  Even in my small town Kansas we know that much. 

[RobertTheFat]

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@ebiggs1 wrote:

"...but pros are using the Sony A9, A92, Nikon Z7, etc."

I'll ignor your condescending remarks and calmly tell you something you seem to not know.  Pros may use a mirrorless camera but that does not make the camera a pro level model.  There are no pro level mirrorless cameras.  No matter how much you might try to spin it.  Even in my small town Kansas we know that much. 

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OK, I confess to being confused. What, exactly, does "pro level" mean if not "commonly used (for business purposes) by pros"?

[kvbarkley]

It means it has the ebiggs stamp of approval, kind of like the Good Housekeeping Seal.

[ebiggs1]

" What, exactly, does "pro level" mean ..."

Simple, it means a 1 series type camera. Something like the D series from Nikon. The only two true pro level cameras made.  I am surprised you guys don't see this.

To help educate the other fellows, just because you made a buck with your cameras does not make you a pro. Gee, I put a bandaide on my gradson's knee so now I am a doctor.

[RobertTheFat]

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@ebiggs1 wrote:

" What, exactly, does "pro level" mean ..."

Simple, it means a 1 series type camera. Something like the D series from Nikon. The only two true pro level cameras made.  I am surprised you guys don't see this.

To help educate the other fellows, just because you made a buck with your cameras does not make you a pro. Gee, I put a bandaide on my gradson's knee so now I am a doctor.

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So we're to infer that the classification of a camera as "pro level" has only to do with how it's built and has little or nothing to do with how often a professional photographer decides that it's the best solution for his/her needs? Well, I wouldn't have defined it that way, but I guess you got there first. I haven't actually heard the term used very much, except by you.

BTW, don't lump me in with those you say claimed to be a pro. But during my stint as a semi-pro (i.e., when photography was part of my job), the pros with whom I came in contact were as likely to be using a 5-series camera as a 1-series. Just sayin'.

[ebiggs1]

Robert,

"So we're to infer that the classification of a camera as "pro level" has only to do with how it's built and has little or nothing to do with how often a professional photographer decides that it's the best solution for his/her needs?"

I am glad you raised my G1x to pro status because I used it on a couple jobs.  One of the KC Star persons, I know, was still using a 40D another great pro level camera, huh?  Man, I had the whole 5 series line up less the Mk IV.  Pro level cameras are everywhere!   Come to think of it, all those Rebels, wow, I had not even realized how many pro level cameras I have or had.

Robert, tongue and cheek aside,  and the others, if you don't know the difference between consumer gear and pro gear, I fear there is little help for you.  Believe what you wish it is still a free country.