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EOS R6 Mark II Inconsistent AF results from Sports mode

nikkinie
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Hello-I'm new to the R6m2 model. For the past few years, I've had the 80D. I mainly shoot the sports that my son plays. For simplicity sake (because I haven't had time to explore all the camera has to offer yet), I shot the past 2 football outings on the "Sports" mode. Both shootings were in the daylight and both with the R24-240 lens.

99% of my photos last week were very sharp and crisp. I took those from the stands, about at the 50 yard line.

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At yesterday's outing, the auto-focus just wouldn't focus. I was sitting on the practice field, about 10 yards from the goalpost. 

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 As the hour went on, some got crisp.

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 With the same lens, the same lighting, and the same settings, it didn’t make sense to me why there was such a drastic difference in the sharpness of the shots. 

Does anyone have any thoughts or advice? I know I have miles to go in improvement, and I'm excited for the journey. I'm just baffled as to why the difference.

Thanks!

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Rick nailed the most common reasons for blur but I have a feeling that some of your blurry photos may be related to focus points and distance from the action. 

But let's start with motion and action blur.  Typically for football you like to be at a shutter speed of 1/800 and 1/1,000 or even higher (when lighting is excellent and using fast glass) is preferable but in horrible lighting conditions you will get SOME decent photos as low as 1/500.  But with the daylight you were shooting in, I would set shutter speed to 1/1,000 until it gets near dusk and drop to 1/800 if needed.  Typically for sports, you would keep the lens "wide open" (aperture at its minimum number setting).  I shoot sports in manual mode with the aperture typically wide open and the shutter speed fixed at 1/800 or 1/1,000 depending upon lighting. With this shutter speed, neither player motion nor camera shake will impact sharpness.

Then set the camera to auto ISO to allow it to set ISO to complete the exposure triangle.

Next is focus and regardless of the "technology level" of the AF system, I rely on single point AF with some expansion around that single point.  As the photographer, you and the camera are partners and your part is knowing the sport so you know which part of a group of players is actually the important player/part. 

Typically I set the single point with expansion near the center of the viewfinder but for some sports (and uniforms) better results will occur with moving the group of points slightly above or below center.  This setup not only allows you to "tell" the camera what is important but it helps you be better as a photographer by forcing you to keep the action roughly in the center of the field of view.

Finally, shoot in RAW instead of JPG if you have been using JPG.  RAW retains the original sensor data allowing you to do proper white balance and excellent noise reduction (and other required cleanup) in post.  Canon's own free DPP is an excellent program for working with Canon RAW files and the majority of images I shoot at sports events never get run through my Adobe software because Canon's DPP can do the needed editing.

But I think the biggest thing is ensuring that you are restricting the AF focal point system to do what YOU need rather than trying to let it think for you when it shouldn't.  I was shooting from just inside the endzone when I caught this image and this was set up by a quick hand off a few moments earlier.  I could see how the play was going to unfold and started tracking where I knew it was going and got a pretty cool shot.  It wouldn't have happened if the camera and I (1DX III body with 70-200 f2.8 glass) weren't working together with the selected AF setup forcing me to stay fully attuned to the action as it unfolded.

Rodger

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EOS 1DX M3, 1DX M2, 1DX, 5DS R, M6 Mark II, 1D M2, EOS 650 (film), many lenses, XF400 video

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shadowsports
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Greetings,

Let me ping Rodger. He's our resident sports expert.  Blur is usually related to camera movement or shutter speed.  You can also put the images into DPP and see what the camera was focusing on.  

~Rick
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Thanks!

Rick nailed the most common reasons for blur but I have a feeling that some of your blurry photos may be related to focus points and distance from the action. 

But let's start with motion and action blur.  Typically for football you like to be at a shutter speed of 1/800 and 1/1,000 or even higher (when lighting is excellent and using fast glass) is preferable but in horrible lighting conditions you will get SOME decent photos as low as 1/500.  But with the daylight you were shooting in, I would set shutter speed to 1/1,000 until it gets near dusk and drop to 1/800 if needed.  Typically for sports, you would keep the lens "wide open" (aperture at its minimum number setting).  I shoot sports in manual mode with the aperture typically wide open and the shutter speed fixed at 1/800 or 1/1,000 depending upon lighting. With this shutter speed, neither player motion nor camera shake will impact sharpness.

Then set the camera to auto ISO to allow it to set ISO to complete the exposure triangle.

Next is focus and regardless of the "technology level" of the AF system, I rely on single point AF with some expansion around that single point.  As the photographer, you and the camera are partners and your part is knowing the sport so you know which part of a group of players is actually the important player/part. 

Typically I set the single point with expansion near the center of the viewfinder but for some sports (and uniforms) better results will occur with moving the group of points slightly above or below center.  This setup not only allows you to "tell" the camera what is important but it helps you be better as a photographer by forcing you to keep the action roughly in the center of the field of view.

Finally, shoot in RAW instead of JPG if you have been using JPG.  RAW retains the original sensor data allowing you to do proper white balance and excellent noise reduction (and other required cleanup) in post.  Canon's own free DPP is an excellent program for working with Canon RAW files and the majority of images I shoot at sports events never get run through my Adobe software because Canon's DPP can do the needed editing.

But I think the biggest thing is ensuring that you are restricting the AF focal point system to do what YOU need rather than trying to let it think for you when it shouldn't.  I was shooting from just inside the endzone when I caught this image and this was set up by a quick hand off a few moments earlier.  I could see how the play was going to unfold and started tracking where I knew it was going and got a pretty cool shot.  It wouldn't have happened if the camera and I (1DX III body with 70-200 f2.8 glass) weren't working together with the selected AF setup forcing me to stay fully attuned to the action as it unfolded.

Rodger

A48I1125.jpg

EOS 1DX M3, 1DX M2, 1DX, 5DS R, M6 Mark II, 1D M2, EOS 650 (film), many lenses, XF400 video

Thank you! I appreciate you taking the time and breaking it down for me!

Excellent shot! I have a 70-200 f2.8 for football and I do know enough to anticipate. With your advice, I hope to get better shots than I did with the 80D.

I'm not sure if I'm confident enough to venture to RAW, but I will try the manual settings for Friday's scrimmage. 

Thanks, again!

You are very welcome Nikki!

I have no doubt you will get some much better shots with your new camera body, particularly in lower light situations where later generation sensor technology works so much better.  And of course the benefit of a full frame sensor with its larger individual photosites for a given resolution compared to an APS-C sensor which contribute to much better reduced light performance.

Don't be afraid to try shooting using RAW format!  Converting to JPG can be as simple as telling the DPP software to batch process everything to JPG without applying individual editing to files.  But you will capture many images when being able to apply the correct white balance in post and do some slightly aggressive noise reduction in post will allow you to turn what would have been a run of the mill at best image from an in-camera jpg file into a treasure.

I haven't used a R6M2 but in general for sports shooting, seriously consider using the control lock function once you get set up for an event.  It is always good to keep an eye on exposure parameters in your viewfinder but it is very easy during a period of heavy action to accidentally bump the shutter speed or aperture control which can result in a taking a lot of photos with sub-optimal parameters.  This is particularly important if you decide to use both of your camera bodies at an event because quickly switching between bodies makes it too easy to bump a control.  I typically shoot football and soccer with a pair of 1DX III bodies with a 400 f2.8 on one and a 70-200 f2.8 on the other and in a single play I will often use both bodies.  Those are on side harnesses and I generally have a 1DX II with 24-70 f2.8 on my neck for end zone action and group celebration photos and before I got smart about locking the controls I shot about a minute of one quarter with one of the 1DX III bodies shooting a 4X the required shutter speed needlessly pushing the ISO too high.

Rodger

EOS 1DX M3, 1DX M2, 1DX, 5DS R, M6 Mark II, 1D M2, EOS 650 (film), many lenses, XF400 video

When I *do* get those phenomenal shots, please hear my shouts of THANK YOU for pushing me out of my comfort zone, which I need!!!

I apprecuate all the input! It's my son's senior year, so it's crunch time.

nikkinie,

I realize that you are trying to work your way through autofocus issues, but what I'd like to know is what number 30 on the gray-shirted team thinks he is doing over on the left-hand side of your first picture.

😂

Steve Thomas

😁 I keep forgetting about that part of the photo. My son is the one making the catch, so that's my focus. 😁

Interesting side note, that player is deaf. There was a sign-language interpreter on the sideline, which I thought was pretty cool.

I too have had issues with auto focus on my R6mII. I understand what you have said about fastest shutter speed and wide f stop and I use single point focus in the center. My problem is what mode, servo, single??? What. Seems my camera wants to always focus by itself. Even when I’m not touching the shutter release or back button. I use back button normally. I am normally shooting wildlife, birds. I previously had a 5DmIII. I never had an issue with focus. 

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