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EOS R5 Remove EU 29:59 Record Time Limit

karchner14
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With all the talk of record limits due to overheating, not many people are talking about the fact that this camera still has the antiquated 29:59 EU record time limit.  I believe Canon needs to remove this.

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wq9nsc
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Some of the impetus for mirrorless is because so many people want camcorders and mirrorless grew out of the video camera experience.  Even with the move to mirrorless, these R series are still biased more towards a "still" photo camera with the ability to do some video work.  If you need long video segments, you are crossing the line over to where you really need a camcorder with its active cooling system instead of a stills camera which is biased towards at least some level of weather resistance which isn't a good setup for rejecting internal heat to the outside environment.

 

A constantly active sensor, A/D converter, processor, and storage media are all creating a lot of heat and trying to go beyond 30 minutes puts an already seriously undersized cooling setup into the unworkable zone.  The Canon 1 series have the best setup in the stills segment for cooling with a large body that dumps a lot of heat into the battery compartment where it can be more readily rejected but even these bodies aren't up to extended high bit rate shooting in high ambient temperature.  Canon has warnings in the 1DX III manual that even the high speed memory card can become painfully hot to touch after an extended high bit rate video session and this shows that these components are being run at an unusually high temperature due to the inability to shed heat within a largely sealed body.  This is where forced air cooled video oriented cameras are needed.  I have three 1DX series bodies but rarely use them for anything more than a very short video "snippet".  If I am shooting extensive video, I also carry my XF-400 and if I was planning to do cinema level video it would be with a C series body but the XF-400 with its integrated lens is perfect for sports.

 

Rodger

EOS 1DX M3, 1DX M2, 1DX, 5DS R, M6 Mark II, 1D M2, EOS 650 (film), many lenses, XF400 video

Waddizzle
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I do not think anyone is going around holding a vlogging camera at arm's length for 30 minutes.  If you're making video content that is in excess of 20-30 minutes in a studio environment, then you need a camera that puts out clean HDMI and an external recording device.  Something like a Blackmagic ATEM switcher would be useful, too.

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shadowsports
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@karchner14 wrote:

.....antiquated 29:59 EU record time limit.  I believe Canon needs to remove this.


Greetings,

The "29:59 EU recording time limit" is something I have learned to accept as an "Ain't going to change in my lifetime" fact.  So as others mentioned...  I also suggest you start planning your next purchase (a camcorder) which is capable of such feats.

 

To maximize what recording time (and recovery) you do get with the R5, I suggest you update its FW to 1.1

 

https://www.usa.canon.com/internet/portal/us/home/support/details/cameras/eos-dslr-and-mirrorless-ca...

 

While the recovery algorithims were improved, there are no improvements in recording times in the higher quality video modes.  To be fair though its certainly better that the shipping FW.

~Rick
Bay Area - CA


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jrhoffman75
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@karchner14 wrote:

With all the talk of record limits due to overheating, not many people are talking about the fact that this camera still has the antiquated 29:59 EU record time limit.  I believe Canon needs to remove this.


It's not an antiquated time limit, its a legal/tax issue.

 

The tax on video recording devices ranges from about 5% up to 12% from what I have found on line; I don't know what affects the range.

 

While this only impacts imports to the EU it seems that camera companies have not decided to create special versions for that market. I'm not even sure there would be a way given the grey market trade.

 

I do not think the majority of DSLR users should be impacted with that tax for a limited number of users.

John Hoffman
Conway, NH

1D X Mark III, M200, Many lenses, Pixma PRO-100, Pixma TR8620a, Lr Classic

You would be correct if it were before 2018

 

The World Trade Oraganization in 2018 did some trickery and the law no longer applies to Cameras - so there is no additional tax - that is why so many cameras now don't have the limit and their price didn't go up.  Camera companies are updating firmware to remove it etc...

 

EXCEPT Canon  😞

 

Before you go all google on me - I believe the tax may have gone thru portions if not all of 2019, but it was wholly rescinded mostly in 2016, became a thing in 2018 and went away some time after that. Point stands it doesn't exist today


@Hipplewm wrote:

You would be correct if it were before 2018

 

The World Trade Oraganization in 2018 did some trickery and the law no longer applies to Cameras - so there is no additional tax - that is why so many cameras now don't have the limit and their price didn't go up.  Camera companies are updating firmware to remove it etc...

 

EXCEPT Canon  😞

 

Before you go all google on me - I believe the tax may have gone thru portions if not all of 2019, but it was wholly rescinded mostly in 2016, became a thing in 2018 and went away some time after that. Point stands it doesn't exist today


That's false.  Nearly every camera sold still has the 30 minute time limit.  However, as you have pointed out, companies release a firmware update for users to install on some cameras that remove it....after the camera has been purchased.

 

BTW, you can record for almost as long as you wish to an external recorder on Canon bodies with "clean HDMI" output.

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@Waddizzle wrote:

I do not think anyone is going around holding a vlogging camera at arm's length for 30 minutes. 


Dude, they make these things called TRIPODS for this.

 


@Waddizzle wrote:

 If you're making video content that is in excess of 20-30 minutes in a studio environment, then you need a camera that puts out clean HDMI and an external recording device.  Something like a Blackmagic ATEM switcher would be useful, too.


Well, we're not all making our content in a studio. External HDMI recorder & switcher is just a BIT overkill for recording my child's 60-min band concert.

 

Are you seriously trying to argue that we don't NEED recording time longer than 29:59? 


@jimre wrote:

@Waddizzle wrote:

I do not think anyone is going around holding a vlogging camera at arm's length for 30 minutes. 


Dude, they make these things called TRIPODS for this.

 


@Waddizzle wrote:

 If you're making video content that is in excess of 20-30 minutes in a studio environment, then you need a camera that puts out clean HDMI and an external recording device.  Something like a Blackmagic ATEM switcher would be useful, too.


Well, we're not all making our content in a studio. External HDMI recorder & switcher is just a BIT overkill for recording my child's 60-min band concert.

 

Are you seriously trying to argue that we don't NEED recording time longer than 29:59? 


Buy a camcorder.

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@Waddizzle wrote:

Buy a camcorder.


Wow, I guess you really ARE arguing that we are all IDIOTS to want > 30 min record time. Thanks for clarifying your position.

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