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EOS 7D Indoor Sports Photography with No Flash

forloines
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Brand NEW to any sort of Photography, let alone the Canon EOS 7D-Indoor Sports without flash issue.

Hello!

I'm new to photography.  Normally, I use 'Auto' everything when I take pictures of indoor sports for a HS cheerleading team, but someone got upset with the use of the flash.  

I have a Canon EOS 7D.  The only lens I have is:  EFS 18-200mm 0.45m/1.5ft.

I am vaguely aware that the f/ should be lower to allow more light in, I think the lowest it goes is 4.5.  Zooming in makes this worse.

What settings could I use to make this work without the flash.  With the flash, everything's great.

Any constructive help for a "photography dummy" would be great.  If I need a different lens, that would be 'ok', too.

Thank you!!

 

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What focal lengths are you currently using not factoring in the variable aperture limiting you. Before we recommend either the 24-70mm F/2.8 or the 70-200mm F/2.8 lens. Canon has discontinued the EF 70-200mm F/2.8L IS II USM lens but they can be found on the used market. If you want a new lens the EF 700-200mm F/2.8L IS III USM lens has replaced the older version. I own the EF 700-200mm F/2.8L IS III USM its a very good lens.

-Demetrius

EF 16-35mm F/2.8L III USM, EF 24-70mm F/2.8L II USM, EF 28-135mm F/3.5-5.6 IS USM (Retired), EF 50 F/1.8 STM, EF 85mm F/1.8 USM & EF 70-200mm F/2.8L IS III USM

EOS 40D (Retired) & 5D Mark IV

430EX III-RT, 470EX-AI & 600EX II-RT

-Demetrius
Bodies: EOS 5D Mark IV
Lenses: EF Trinity, EF 85mm F/1.8 USM
Retired Gear: EOS 40D, EF 50mm F/1.8 STM & EF 70-210mm F/4
Speedlites: 420EX, 470EX-AI, 550EX & 600EX II-RT

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ebiggs1
Legend
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"That Canon USA wouldn't repair the item."

This really isn't the issue. It is not they won't repair it as it is more they can't repair it. It's really not fair to say they won't. It isn't much different than you taking your Ford F150 to a Chevy dealer and finding out they "won't" repair it for you. This becomes more of something they can't do as something they won't do. Canon is way better in this area than most companies, believe me.

Canon and Nikon for that matter are put in a no win situation. They have a customer that bought a gray market camera with the big white lettered brand name "Canon" boldly placed on the front. It needs repair. They call Canon USA and inquiry about fixing it. Canon doesn't have the correct whatever to do a 100% guaranteed repair. They decline the repair. So, now Canon is faced with an unhappy customer that thinks Canon sucks because they "won't" fix his camera. No win situation!

Of course he thought he got a "good" deal when he bought it because it was $25 bucks cheaper than the USA authorized one.

EB
EOS 1D, EOS 1D MK IIn, EOS 1D MK III, EOS 1D MK IV and EOS 1DX and many lenses.

ebiggs1
Legend
Legend

forloines, one last thing to consider. Everyone that has kids have about 18 trips around the Sun in their life. That's all we get. Once that is gone it is gone. How you choose to make use of those fleeting "trips" is .............................well, nuf, said. 🙂

EB
EOS 1D, EOS 1D MK IIn, EOS 1D MK III, EOS 1D MK IV and EOS 1DX and many lenses.

forloines
Contributor

I wanted to thank you ALL for your replies!  I ended up getting a better lens with a better f/#.  Using manual focus has taken some getting used to, and I had to set the dial to "M" to get it to work properly.  Thank you again!

Autofocus and Manual Focus can be used in any exposure mode. Wether that be A+ Mode, Manual Mode, Av Mode, Tv Mode or P Mode. Also what lens did you buy.

 

-Demetrius

Happy New Year

EF 16-35mm F/2.8L III USM, EF 24-70mm F/2.8L II USM, EF 28-135mm F/3.5-5.6 IS USM (Retired), EF 50 F/1.8 STM, EF 85mm F/1.8 USM & EF 70-200mm F/2.8L IS III USM

EOS 40D (Retired) & 5D Mark IV

430EX III-RT, 470EX-AI & 600EX II-RT

-Demetrius
Bodies: EOS 5D Mark IV
Lenses: EF Trinity, EF 85mm F/1.8 USM
Retired Gear: EOS 40D, EF 50mm F/1.8 STM & EF 70-210mm F/4
Speedlites: 420EX, 470EX-AI, 550EX & 600EX II-RT

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L II USM

Are you using Manual Focus or Manual Exposure Mode. Manual Exposure Mode means you set the ISO, Aperture and shutter speed MANUALLY. The camera can't change any of your settings. Manual Focus means you manually focus the lens. Manual Focus can be difficult on DSLR cameras because there aren't any focus aids such as a split prism focus screen.

 

-Demetrius

Happy New Year

EOS 40D (Retired) & 5D Mark IV

430EX III-RT, 470EX-AI & 600EX II-RT

-Demetrius
Bodies: EOS 5D Mark IV
Lenses: EF Trinity, EF 85mm F/1.8 USM
Retired Gear: EOS 40D, EF 50mm F/1.8 STM & EF 70-210mm F/4
Speedlites: 420EX, 470EX-AI, 550EX & 600EX II-RT

ebiggs1
Legend
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I still tend to think you are not getting this. I can not stress it enough. Try these recommendations on your next shoot. My advice is never, never, use manual anything! Not manual exposure control and not manual focus.

Number 5. Always shoot Raw format never, ever, jpg. And, use a good post editor. A favorite setting used by the best pro sports photographers is Av mode where you set an aperture, in your case select wide open. Use One shot not Ai-servo at first and rarely after that.  Use Auto ISO, set an upper and lower limit that you can live with (more grian as it goes higher but less light is needed). Now with Av mode set up the 7D will determine the correct SS for the proper exposure. Using Raw and a post editor will allow for enhanced ability to adjust exposure, sometimes up to 4 or more stops. That is extremely important and valuable. So far all of this is free to do. It costs you nothing as Canon offers you for free the very good DPP4 as a post editor and Raw converter. Raw files basically do not save any other information besides exposure and focus. All that can be set in DPP4 or other good editor like Photoshop. However, all editors use the jpg settings to make the initial viewable image so keep that in mind. Raw images are not viewable themselves.

So you are going to set Av mode and select f2.8 or f4 for the aperture. Try both. Now that will become fixed.  Next set an upper and lower limit to your ISO. It's in the menus a good choice might be 100 to 3200. Now that is set. Make sure the lens is on AF and you have the IS switch on.

Set file format to Raw. Import to your computer in DPP4. This is as good as it gets.  You can't do better using manual. and you can't do as well if you don't use Raw and DPP4.  If possible get to the gym or venue well before hand and try some random shots. Perhaps bring along a willing subject. Even if you have fantastic gear if you use it wrong it won't do the job.

Please................

EB
EOS 1D, EOS 1D MK IIn, EOS 1D MK III, EOS 1D MK IV and EOS 1DX and many lenses.

I would also add use BOTH card slots SD and CF cards. Set the camera to record simultaneously to both cards in the event of a card failure. I also agree with you on NOT using Manual Mode. The lighting conditions can change depending on the area of sports arena. Av Mode and Auto ISO are the best with the lighting conditions OP is in.

-Demetrius

Happy New Years

EF 16-35mm F/2.8L III USM, EF 24-70mm F/2.8L II USM, EF 28-135mm F/3.5-5.6 IS USM (Retired), EF 50 F/1.8 STM, EF 85mm F/1.8 USM & EF 70-200mm F/2.8L IS III USM

EOS 40D (Retired) & 5D Mark IV

430EX III-RT, 470EX-AI & 600EX II-RT

-Demetrius
Bodies: EOS 5D Mark IV
Lenses: EF Trinity, EF 85mm F/1.8 USM
Retired Gear: EOS 40D, EF 50mm F/1.8 STM & EF 70-210mm F/4
Speedlites: 420EX, 470EX-AI, 550EX & 600EX II-RT

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Scaled down version, using "AV".

 

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