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EOS 7D Indoor Sports Photography with No Flash

forloines
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Brand NEW to any sort of Photography, let alone the Canon EOS 7D-Indoor Sports without flash issue.

Hello!

I'm new to photography.  Normally, I use 'Auto' everything when I take pictures of indoor sports for a HS cheerleading team, but someone got upset with the use of the flash.  

I have a Canon EOS 7D.  The only lens I have is:  EFS 18-200mm 0.45m/1.5ft.

I am vaguely aware that the f/ should be lower to allow more light in, I think the lowest it goes is 4.5.  Zooming in makes this worse.

What settings could I use to make this work without the flash.  With the flash, everything's great.

Any constructive help for a "photography dummy" would be great.  If I need a different lens, that would be 'ok', too.

Thank you!!

 

1 ACCEPTED SOLUTION

What focal lengths are you currently using not factoring in the variable aperture limiting you. Before we recommend either the 24-70mm F/2.8 or the 70-200mm F/2.8 lens. Canon has discontinued the EF 70-200mm F/2.8L IS II USM lens but they can be found on the used market. If you want a new lens the EF 700-200mm F/2.8L IS III USM lens has replaced the older version. I own the EF 700-200mm F/2.8L IS III USM its a very good lens.

-Demetrius

EF 16-35mm F/2.8L III USM, EF 24-70mm F/2.8L II USM, EF 28-135mm F/3.5-5.6 IS USM (Retired), EF 50 F/1.8 STM, EF 85mm F/1.8 USM & EF 70-200mm F/2.8L IS III USM

EOS 40D (Retired) & 5D Mark IV

430EX III-RT, 470EX-AI & 600EX II-RT

-Demetrius
Bodies: EOS 5D Mark IV
Lenses: EF Trinity, EF 85mm F/1.8 USM
Retired Gear: EOS 40D, EF 50mm F/1.8 STM & EF 70-210mm F/4
Speedlites: 420EX, 470EX-AI, 550EX & 600EX II-RT

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Looks great!

EB
EOS 1D, EOS 1D MK IIn, EOS 1D MK III, EOS 1Ds MK III, EOS 1D MK IV and EOS 1DX and many lenses.

amfoto1
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While the suggestions for f/2.8 zooms are good, you'll soon find out that those lenses are rather expensive, as well as fairly large and heavy.

You mention specifically shooting cheerleading and that might be possible with prime lenses instead of zooms. Lenses like the EF 35mm f/2 IS USM, 50mm f/1.4 USM, 85mm f/1.8 USM and 135mm f/2L USM are not only smaller, lighter, and generally more affordable... these lenses also are one to two stops brighter, so will be even better in low light shooting conditions when you can't use flash. Of course they don't have the versatility of a zoom lens. But they might be worth trying.

In case you are unfamiliar with them, "full" lens f-stops from large to small are: f/1.0, f/1.4, f/2, f/2.8, f/4, f/5.6, f/8, f/11, f/16 and f/22 (etc.) Each stop smaller reduces light by 1/2... or each stop larger doubles it. So an f/2 lens is twice as bright as an f/2.8 lens. Or an f/1.4 lens is 4X brighter than an f/2.8 lens. (Note: Those are all "full" f-stops. Cameras and lenses also operate in 1/2 stop and even 1/3 stop increments. A lens like the EF 85mm f/1.8 USM is 1/3 stop brighter than f/2, for example. Your EF-S 18-200mm at 18mm is f/3.5, which is 1/3 stop brighter than f/4. I kept to full stops above, just for sake of simplicity. You will find the other exposure factors... shutter speed and ISO... also work in full stops, along with either 1/2 or 1/3 stop increments.)

The lens you have now has a variable aperture that's f/3.5 at 18mm but closes down to f/4 at 24mm and another full stop to f/5.6 when zoomed to 90mm or longer focal length.  The recommended f/2.8 zoom lenses are 2X brighter than your lens at 24mm and 4X brighter than it at 90mm and longer. That would help a lot. BUT, a 35mm f/2 or 135mm f/2 would be 8X brighter, while a 50mm f/1.4 is 16X brighter!

To decide which of the various focal length prime lenses might work best for you, look at the photos you have been taking with the zoom you have now. What focal length did you use for them? (This info is recorded in the image file EXIF data, which can be accessed with various software.) You will probably find that many of your shots are done close to one or two focal lengths. Of course, with prime lenses like these you might also be able to "zoom with your feet"... simply get closer or move a little farther away to adjust your compositions.

You might get a copy of Bryan Peterson's book "Understanding Exposure". It's a very good explanation of how all cameras work and can help you get away from relying upon "auto" for everything (which limits you in many ways, not just exposure control).

Finally, you mention using 7D, which is a quite good sports camera. However, something you will probably see happen is difficulty getting a good exposure under typical gym/arena lighting. The types of lighting used in sports venue often cycle on and off rapidly, 60 times per second. It's so fast our eyes don't notice, but our cameras sure do! This is a problem when shooting any sort of sports, where you need to use a fairly fast shutter speed to freeze subject movement. Some shots will be badly under exposed, when the shutter happens to fire when the lighting is in the "off" part of its cycle.

With the camera that replaced the 7D... the 7D Mark II... Canon introduced a new feature called "Anti Flicker". When that's enabled the camera detects the cycle of the lighting and times the release of the shutter to match the peak output of the lighting. I can tell you from experience this works very well. It solves a problem many of us sports shooters have had for a long, long time. Most of the Canon interchangeable lens cameras introduced since the 7D Mark II have had this feature. A few other camera makers have adopted similar in some of their cameras, too.

There is a more thorough explanation of this problem and solution(s) here: The Digital Picture... Canon Anti-Flicker 

The original 7D doesn't have that feature. Short of replacing your camera with a newer model that has Anti-Flicker, other methods of dealing with the problem are:

  • Upgraded lighting... obviously not something the photographer can do.
  • Global strobe lighting... is found in many pro-level stadiums. Photographers are given access to it via wireless controllers. Most amateur arenas don't have this option.
  • Portable flash.... which is prohibited at most sporting events.
  • Use a slow shutter speed... 1/30 or below. Not practical for sports photography.
  • Take lots of extra shots because it's likely many will be poorly exposed and unusable.
  • Shoot RAW files (instead of JPEGs), in order to have more adjustability in post-processing.

. I hope this helps!

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Alan Myers
San Jose, Calif., USA
"Walk softly and carry a big lens."
GEAR: 5DII, 7DII (x2), 7D(x2), EOS M5, some other cameras, various lenses & accessories
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ebiggs1
Legend
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"You mention specifically shooting cheerleading and that might be possible with prime lenses instead of zooms. Lenses like the EF 35mm f/2 IS USM, 50mm f/1.4 USM, 85mm f/1.8 USM and 135mm f/2L USM are not only smaller, lighter, and generally more affordable... "

The biggest reason this isn't a viable option for most for us especially the ones of us with limited funds, is if you use prime lenses that is the problem. Lenses vs lens. An individual prime lens may be cheaper to buy but it is seldom going to easily complete the whole job. That means another or perhaps several more lenses. If you have to carry several primes around there goes any weight savings too. In fact a super fast prime isn't going to be a super light lense most likely. Plus the faster it is the more to very much more it will cost.

"...an f/2 lens is twice as bright as an f/2.8 lens."

While this sounds impressive on paper in reality it isn't a big deal. If you can't get a shot in a darkened arena with your f2.8 lens an f2 lens is probably not going to make any real difference. One stop isn't a deal breaker or maker.

EB
EOS 1D, EOS 1D MK IIn, EOS 1D MK III, EOS 1Ds MK III, EOS 1D MK IV and EOS 1DX and many lenses.
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