Maybe you will like these better. I try to please! 
All with my best of class, 1.3 body the EOS 1D Mk IV. Birders favorite camera! I love this camera.
@RobertTheFat wrote:
@jazzman1 wrote:
I posted a question to you about DPP, but you never responded, so I deleted it. I have to assume you had your reasons and you thought not replying was the best course of action. It's Ok my friend and still hope to pick your brain again soon
Most likely I just hadn't gotten around to it. Or I thought that since you're switching to Lightroom, the question had become moot. Try me again if you're still interested, and I'll see if I know the answer.
It is moot now, since I uninstalled DPP, and re-installed. Whatever was the problem with DPP it's solved now, DPP is working fine. Though I do have LR 6 now, I will also keep using DPP. I can only install LR 6 on 2 Pc's (1 desktop, 1 laptop), and will have to use DPP on 2 other Pc's. Though I will put most of my focus on LR 6 for now ( I know I'll have a big learning curve), I will need to learn many new features. But I will need to be profient with both editing software programs. I'm hoping Obiwan will help me along with LR, but will still need your help also, with DPP.
"On letting me bump my head, I think your idea is to withdraw and not help me at all untill I see things your way"
And it is. 
I am throughly content to let you bump away. The problem with beginners is, they don't know, what they don't know.
In the fact of learning Lightroom and/or DPP, it is not which is better at this point. It is the fact they are diffucult to learn from the start. Trying to learn both at the same time just complicates the matter.
Plus I am not up to or am I going to argue over the issue. It is your choice as all has been. Go for DPP first and when you are satified with it, try LR next. You may find DPP is all you need.
@ebiggs1 wrote:"On letting me bump my head, I think your idea is to withdraw and not help me at all untill I see things your way"
And it is.
I am throughly content to let you bump away. The problem with beginners is, they don't know, what they don't know.
In the fact of learning Lightroom and/or DPP, it is not which is better at this point. It is the fact they are diffucult to learn from the start. Trying to learn both at the same time just complicates the matter.
Plus I am not up to or am I going to argue over the issue. It is your choice as all has been. Go for DPP first and when you are satified with it, try LR next. You may find DPP is all you need.
Since I have paid good money for LR, I'd be stupid to not learn how to use it. Since I have 2 Pc's that does'nt have it installed, at times, seldom I agree, I may have to use them and I have DPP on them. I do understand your logic defining the 2 programs and the difficulty learning both..... I agree. My main focus for now will be on LR, since I feel it's the better of the 2 programs (I have DPP 3) and I can do things with it I cannot with DPP. Will let you know how I'm coming along.
Obiwan I just shut my Pc down, i'm beat, and LR is a wopper. I see I got my work cut out for myself. I managed to import my pic files but stopped there. I looked in "preference" but did'nt know what to change or any settings I should make. I decided to do nothing for now, before I changed something, or made a mistake, I should not do. I'll tackle it tomorrow when I'm fresh. I do have a club meet downtown with a class on composition. But I will get to LR before I go. I'm gonna try and learn what I can from the help file. Oh buddy...feet don't fail me now
First off you are not using your head. In one case the camera is supporting the lens. In the other the lens is supporting the camera. Does that not make sense? I guess it does boil down to which is heavier.
The longer the lens gets, the more it acts like a lever. So the weight increases dramatically.
All lenses have some distortion. Either pincushion or barrel along with some other stuff. The photos I corrected for you were user error. Plus LR automatically corrected for the rest of the ungoodies the lens has.
There are two things here that effect distortion. One is you didn't hold the camera horizonal. Which you didn't. The other is perpendicular to the subject. Which you didn't. The first is easy to fix in LR. The second is not.
You must see your lens as a cone accepting light rays.
Look at this. It shows how that type of distortion would effect you photos
Comprende amigo?
@ebiggs1 wrote:First off you are not using your head. In one case the camera is supporting the lens. In the other the lens is supporting the camera. Does that not make sense? I guess it does boil down to which is heavier.
The longer the lens gets, the more it acts like a lever. So the weight increases dramatically.
If I'm reading you correctly, you don't understand my question. What you say here is correct. What I'm asking is if it's a difference in "the weight" of the "lens" on the "camera mount"...whether the camera is attached to a sling strap, or the camera is mounted on a tripod. In both instances the lens weight is bearing on the camera lens mount., right??????
All lenses have some distortion. Either pincushion or barrel along with some other stuff. The photos I corrected for you were user error. Plus LR automatically corrected for the rest of the ungoodies the lens has.
There are two things here that effect distortion. One is you didn't hold the camera horizonal. Which you didn't. The other is perpendicular to the subject. Which you didn't. The first is easy to fix in LR. The second is not.
You must see your lens as a cone accepting light rays.
Look at this. It shows how that type of distortion would effect you photos
Comprende amigo?
You're the Pro here and I cannot refute your facts, nor would I try. But just wanna ask you to go back and look at the 4th pic of the JSV Jazz Fest I posted on page 4.. The picture with the water taxi boat. Look at the building across the other side of the river. The building on the far right is either straight, or seems to lean a tad to the right (to me). Now look to the far left and see a pronounced lean to the left of that building (the greenish bulding). That's the way it looks to me on my screen. You tell me if you see what I'm referring to. If this is so, how could I have caused 2 buildings to lean in opposite directions??? If I'm correct, this is from distortion not me. If not, I stand corrected and will accept your explanation. BTW....I took those shots with my Canon 24-105mmL and hood. I would not expect this kind of distortion with this lens. Actually, I've been studing all those pics all week, and most look good to me far as being straight.
I'm not talking about the lens supporting the camera from the sling strap attached to the lens, I'm talking about the camera supporting the lens in both instances, by the sling strap attached to the camera tripod mount, or the camera attached to a tripod. Do I make sense????
