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Could use some advice on 90D

jasonrealmen
Apprentice

Among other bodies (A6600, Fuji X-S10) I am considering the 90D. I know it’s the only DSLR out of the bunch but there is something about having a DSLR body with crazy battery life that will take great images with a cheap 50 or 35. I have shot Nikon (D7100, D7500) in the past but am looking at Canon as it gets rave reviews on colors and ease of use.

I would pair the 90D with a quality short-end zoom and prime or two. The main use would be some landscape as well as shots of my kids around the house and sports. I have use many Fuji (X-T2, X-T3, X-H1... on and on) and unless I am willing to crank up the ISO (and SS) I do not get images that I like indoors with my family. Candid shots... not ‘fixing’ lighting for these shots.

So how would the 90D do in this area? I am aware I can shoot it as a ‘hybrid’. How is the AF? My number one question, how is the low-light/ISO/noise performance? I have read that it isn’t that great but it seems that could be related to using older glass with the new/big sensor.

I would appreciate any feedback you can share. I am 80% stills but I think video with the 90D could be easy and fun.

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jrhoffman75
Legend

You can use this tool to compare noise at various ISO settings.

 

Canon EOS 90D Noise Test Results (the-digital-picture.com)

John Hoffman
Conway, NH

1D X Mark III, Many lenses, Pixma PRO-100, MX472, LR Classic

kvbarkley
VIP

Ken Rockwell does a good comparison of noise vs iso:

https://www.kenrockwell.com/canon/90d.htm

Inside low light, higher ISO photography is always a challenge.  The 90D does have a built in flash which can improve dimly lit in home candid scenes of family.

 

The guys have both provided ISO comparison charts which basically shows any ISO above 1600 can introduce a  considerable amount of noise (indoors , dimly lit scenes).  The type of lighting you are shooting under will also play a role in this.  + Ricky has provided additional examples of sensor capability and lens choice.

 

Looking beyond just this however, the 90D is a very capable camera when you look at it overall.  If you see yourself needing a body with the highest indoor light gathering capability, then a body with a FF sensor might be a better choice.  If you want the convienence of a on body flash, go 90D

 

Whichever way you decide to go, the quality of the lenses you choose are going to have the most profound impact in all of your shooting scenarios.

~Rick
Bay Area - CA
~6D2(v1.1.1) ~Many Lenses ~DxO PhotoLab Elite ~Windows10 Pro ~EVGA RTX 3080Ti FTW3 Ultra ~ImageClass MF644Cdw ~Pixel6 ~R5C On Order

rs-eos
Whiz

For low-light, while a sensor's ISO performance is definitely a variable, using a wide-aperature lens can give you more options.  e.g. if the widest aperature of your existing lens is f/3.5, an f/1.8 lens would give you four times the light (2 stops).  That means you could reduce ISO by two stops as well (e.g. down to ISO 800 from ISO 3200).

 

When I moved from a Rebel T4i with 18-135mm kit lens (f/3.5 at the wide end) to an EOS 6D with 50mm f/1.2, the lens would give me up to 8 times the light (3 stops).  And I estimated I got almost 2 stops better noise improvement due to the sensor/camera upgrade.

 

Of course shooting at the widest possible aperture is not always what you want.  But it is yet another tool.  Nice to have more options with apertures.

 

And if your subject isn't moving, longer exposures really help to reduce noise since you're now slowing shutter while reducing ISO.

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Ricky

EOS 5D IV, EF 50mm f/1.2L, EF 135mm f/2L, 600EX-RT (x6), ST-E3-RT
EOS C70, RF 24-70 f/2.8L IS, EF-EOS R 0.71x

wq9nsc
Authority

Noise is a "slippery slope", it is the area of sensor performance that has shown the greatest advancement in the past decade and for a given level of sensor technology, full frame tends to provide better performance.  But the full frame versus APS-C is also very much a function of pixel density and a smaller number of pixels that are larger in area will perform better because they have more surface area.  One of the reasons for the excellent low light noise performance of the 1DX series is its sensor density (20 megapixels) is constrained to a reasonable level which greatly improves its low light noise performance.  I also have a 50 MP EOS 5DS R which can produce some gorgeous images but it cannot come close to the low light performance of my 1DX III with its more advanced and less dense sensor even though both are full frame.

 

Be careful when comparing sample photos showing sensor noise because scene composition has a lot to do with apparent sensor performance, if there is extreme contrast and the important areas are all brightly illuminated then apparent sensor performance will appear better than when using the same camera and lens with a scene where much of the important scene components are in the "gray" area between being brightly illuminated and so dark as to nearly disappear in the scene, those mid-level illumination areas are where noise issues that are difficult to remove in processing without significant loss of detail appear. 

 

One of the big issues you will notice with noise is that it strongly impacts your ability to crop without very noticeable loss of image quality, when you can keep ISO below 400 you can crop severely and still retain good detail and image quality but at the higher end of the ISO range even using the full sensor area for the final image won't look so great and if you try a severe crop it will look truly terrible.  When shooting sports, my EF 300 f2.8 lens is far easier to manage (lighter weight and less critical framing) compared to my EF 400 f2.8 but that 33% difference in focal length is significant when cropping in low light fast action scenarios.

 

Most cameras developed and marketed in the last few years have pretty decent noise performance because sensor design has advanced so rapidly.  An EOS 1D Mark II was my first serious digital camera, I bought it in 2005.  It topped out at ISO 3,200 but anything above 800 was really not good.  My EOS 1DX III has a top ISO of 819,200 which isn't usable but I don't hesitate to shoot sports at ISO 12,800 with it and have gone higher when necessary. 

 

Canon has an excellent AF system for their better DSLR bodies including the 90D, I don't think you will be at all disappointed with its performance.  AF always occurs with the lens wide open regardless of the actual image capture setting so wider aperture lenses provide better AF performance, in low light it means the AF will achieve lock more quickly with less hunting and searching. 

 

At some point I will buy a mirrorless body to play with, but Canon (nor anyone else) has a mirrorless body that does what I want.  The AF of the Canon 1 series will capture focus more quickly than any of the mirrorless bodies when rapidly switching between two areas of interest which is a very common occurrence with sports, it is one of the advantages of having a dedicated separate AF sensor.  I personally hate electronic viewfinders compared to the real time optical viewfinder which has zero lag or artifacts.  And with the 1DX III, I get around 3,000 captures before the battery pack is below its half discharge point.  Depending upon your usage, mirrorless may be the best choice but it isn't there yet for what I do while the mature DSLR system works extremely well for me.  If I keep shooting long enough, I will transition to mirrorless when/if it overcomes some of the drawbacks that are important to me but at this point its limitations are not acceptable for my usage.  But for your intended usage, a mirrorless could be the best choice.  There is no single answer for everyone.

 

Be careful when seeing the marketing blurb for ISO range, just because a camera allows a very high ISO figure doesn't mean it is something you are likely to find usable.  Sample photos below are my 1DX III at ISO 102,400 which might be usable in some situations and ISO 819,200 in which you can tell it is a cat but not much more 🙂  Really high ISO settings are a bragging right and not a terribly useful setting.

 

Rodger

 

102400.jpg

 

819200.jpg

 

EOS 1DX M3, 1DX M2, 1DX, 5DS R, 1D M2, EOS 650 (film), many lenses, XF400 video
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