08-28-2017 02:26 AM - edited 08-28-2017 02:34 AM
Hello!
New member here, so bear with me.
I am a portrait photographer, and recently upgraded from a 5D Mark 2 to a 5D Mark 3.. Despite advice from a friend, I took the Mark 3 to a shoot without practicing first. As as I shot, I was looking at the LCD playback screen, and thought they all looked wonderful. But once I got home, I quickly realized that I have a problem. I was not quite prepared for the drastic difference in color between the 2 and the 3. When I shot with my Mark 2, I never had an issue with color... and if I did, it was user error. But the color is awful in the images that I made with the new Mark 3.
I have Googled until my fingers were numb, so I joined the forum just so I could ask... Is there any way to correct this IN-CAMERA?!?! (And if not, what is the easiest way to correct the problem for any & all future RAW files that I shoot?)
I have tried changing picture styles. I have tried changing the Kelvin settings.. No matter what I do, the color looks "off". Please help me!!
I have attached some links to examples from the shoot. And while I'm well aware that there are probably "other" technical problems with the images, I ask that you only look at the image color(s) as the problem. (For what it's worth.. I know the location is not the issue, because I shot in the very same location with my Mark 2, and the colors were lovely. But in the photos below, as you'll see, there's an over-abundance of green.)
https://ibb.co/eYyNGk
https://ibb.co/hN6W95
Image details.. 6850 Kelvin (which, btw, is not what it said in-camera as I was shooting) with +5 magenta
And yes, I shot these in RAW.
Thanks for any and all advice/tips/suggestions you might have!
Best,
-Dusty
08-02-2018 05:25 AM
@kacprek wrote:Can you describe eduardohferraz your problem with Canon 5D mark iii more acurate please?
I suggest that you start a new thread for your issue.
No one takes perfect pictures 100% of the time. I think you simply need more practice and experience.
08-02-2018 07:24 AM
08-02-2018 08:53 AM
@kacprek wrote:
I simply have attached myself to this thread because I didn't wanted to describe the problems all over again, but perhaps I should to start a new one
Starting a different thread isn't going to solve anything. The issue is that the other 5D3 users in the forum (and there are quite a few of us) haven't experienced your problem and don't know how to reproduce it. We (or at least I) think you are mis-handling your white-balance settings and that there is probably nothing wrong with your camera. If, at this point, you still don't agree, you're probably going to have to send the camera to Canon for evaluation. Without a collection of your RAW files to work with (which most of us wouldn't have time to spend on anyway), there's not a lot more we can do.
08-02-2018 09:47 AM
You may not like this answer but it is the correct one.
"You need to know, you can not view a Raw file. It has to be converted into something else. A tiff or probably more likely a jpg. The conversion software doesn't know how to do this so it relies on the tag file, metadata, embedded in the Raw file. In other words it reads your camera settings and that is the starting point. ... "
Even using two different converters, say DPP4 vs LR, you will get two different renditions. In other words they won't look the same. I agree with Robert entirely, lack of experience in either the camera or the post editor is most likely the reason. You only other choice is to send it to Canon, again like Robert suggests, for a C&C.
Again quoting Robert, no one gets 100%. Not even me!
08-02-2018 01:28 PM
@kacprek wrote:
I simply have attached myself to this thread because I didn't wanted to describe the problems all over again, but perhaps I should to start a new one
I have viewed your two sample files and left comments on your dropbox. I'm very puzzled you think there is something wrong with your picture. The color is just about perfect out of the box for your picture. Now the picture from the other photographer has a severe green cast for whatever reason.
After looking at your picture, I'm convinced that there is nothing wrong with your 5D Mark III...it's the same as mine and everyone else's. And the 5D mark III colors are considered by most people (including non_Canon shooters) to be the most pleasing, especially for portraits.
This leads me to ask you a condescending question - is your monitor properly color-calibrated? If you haven't got a color calibrator you need to invest in one ASAP. If you have, re-calibrate it - it's off. If you're trying to fix a picture colors with an uncalibrated color set, it's the stuff nightmares are made of.
Your comment about the histogram leads me to believe that you have a basic misunderstanding of histogram in general...it's useful to take a look at the Canon's link on historam...
http://www.learn.usa.canon.com/resources/articles/2012/understanding_histograms.shtml
08-02-2018 02:34 PM
You're camera doesn't look like it has a problem. The camera wont produce an image that looks like the first photo if shot in RAW and using neutral "daylight" balanced lighting. It appears to be either processed to look like this, or the lighting wasn't neutral. (you can post the actual .CR2 file to dropbox if you want us to look at the real data).
You mentioned: "After every photo session, there is always nightmare to me getting right colors in my photos. "
What software are you using to process your RAW images?
Processing for white balance and color saturation should not take more than a minute or two... for the entire shoot. This is becuase many RAW workflow apps do two things:
#1 - they let you build a "camera profile" (many just come with a camera profile for well-known cameras, but you can customize them or build your own).
#2 - once you white-balance and tweak photo #1 (your reference frame from the shoot), you can "sync" those changes to the rest of the images shot in the same light.
This means that when you import your photos, the RAW workflow software auto-applies to the camera profile to every image upon import. Since a camera profile can't possibly know about any local conditions (e.g. color cast in the lighting that needs a white balance tweak, etc.) you always have to do a mild tweak to the reference frame, but you "sync" those changes to the rest of the shoot. You don't actually tweak each image one-by-one.
I generlly judge my images upon import and I'll take the best of them and give them localized (non-global) adjustments ... e.g. local custom cropping, maybe some sharpening, etc. etc. as needed. I don't adjust every image. But more importantly, I don't spend a lot of time doing the work becuase so much of it is automated.
But since these are RAW images, I still retain full control and can override anything.
08-02-2018 02:42 PM
@ebiggs1 wrote:You may not like this answer but it is the correct one.
"You need to know, you can not view a Raw file. It has to be converted into something else. A tiff or probably more likely a jpg. The conversion software doesn't know how to do this so it relies on the tag file, metadata, embedded in the Raw file. In other words it reads your camera settings and that is the starting point. ... "
I thought that every conversion software uses and relies on its own camera profiles rather than meta tags, the only excpetion is white balance maybe. Although in spite of that everybody is saying you can set any white balance in post processing without missing anything, I have other experiences anyway. If I set wrong white balance for exemple "sunny-daylight" color temperature and shoot the photo in shadowed place, I can do nothing in post processing because the colors will be lost for myself. I can try to set white balance temperature sliders but can't obtain right colors in this case. The example is below.
The Raw file as the Capture One see it, converted to jpg:
And the tweaked version by me, where the white balance was set from the lump of the bright pice of model shorts and corrected a bit. The final colors I really don't like at all. I had to decrease the color saturation -10 because there was huge saturation, and I added a little bit the blue color in shadows as well.
@ebiggs1 wrote:
Even using two different converters, say DPP4 vs LR, you will get two different renditions. In other words they won't look the same.
I know that, it is because diffrent converters use diffrent demosaic technik.
@ebiggs1 wrote:I agree with Robert entirely, lack of experience in either the camera or the post editor is most likely the reason.
That's why I need some help and want to find a solution for me 😉
08-02-2018 02:49 PM
Your monitor colors are completely off. Either that or your color preference is very different from most of us...the top one looks perfect to me...I wouldn't even bother to correct anything. Your revised version is totally green and blue...horrible.
08-02-2018 04:18 PM
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