11-19-2023 06:23 PM
Hey guys, I’m kinda new to the photography world. I’ve been decent at taking pictures, and I’ve been wanting to upgrade to a 90D from a T6. That Rebel is still good to me, but after seeing a Mark III in action at wedding, I know I need to upgrade. I’m looking for a camera that can handle most situations for around $1300.
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11-19-2023 06:45 PM - edited 11-19-2023 07:09 PM
Is this $1399 for a body only or a kit. The EF Mount is being discontinued and further developed has stopped. So no more new updated bodies or lenses coming. It would be best to look into a mirrorless camera at this point in time. They offer much more features that a DSLR camera can't offer. To use existing EF or EF-S lenses you will need an EF-RF Mount adapter. What lenses do you currently have so far EF or EF-S. EF-S lenses won't mount a Full Frame camera at all. Avoid the EOS-M series mirrorless cameras they have been discontinued. Look into the EOS R series cameras.
11-19-2023 06:45 PM - edited 11-19-2023 07:09 PM
Is this $1399 for a body only or a kit. The EF Mount is being discontinued and further developed has stopped. So no more new updated bodies or lenses coming. It would be best to look into a mirrorless camera at this point in time. They offer much more features that a DSLR camera can't offer. To use existing EF or EF-S lenses you will need an EF-RF Mount adapter. What lenses do you currently have so far EF or EF-S. EF-S lenses won't mount a Full Frame camera at all. Avoid the EOS-M series mirrorless cameras they have been discontinued. Look into the EOS R series cameras.
11-19-2023 06:45 PM
By professional, are you planning to get paid? If so, what genres? What lenses do you already own?
11-19-2023 08:23 PM
Mcharles609,
If you were to upgrade from a T6 to a 90D, I think you will be surprised and delighted.
Your enjoyment of photography will expand tenfold.
Steve Thomas
11-20-2023 02:36 AM - edited 11-21-2023 12:13 PM
Given you are new to photography, even though you can take decent photos, there is a huge gap between doing it for pleasure when you only have to please yourself and doing it professionally, when you have to deliver a service and product of an acceptable standard with utter reliability - often that means having and shooting with a second body: you cannot say to a client 'sorry, my bad my camera had an issue'... Nor can you afford an errors in terms of technical skill and composition.
You say you saw a "MkIII" (is that the 5DMkIII?) at a wedding, but you have given us no idea of the types of subjects you want to shoot, and given you have been using an APS-C consumer-level camera, what lenses do you have. The 5DMkIII is an older, but excellent professional grade Full Frame camera. In the right hands it will deliver excellent results, but there are a couple of points to consider:
1. BUDGET: You say you want to spend $1300, but is that for the body alone, or for a body and lenses to work with it? If your current lenses are EF-S lenses they simply will not physically fit the FF DSLR body, so you would have to consider money from optics as well. That then takes us to what you are going to shoot.
2. Different subjects demand different optics. For weddings you might want something like the EF 24-70L f/2.8 or f/4 lens, or 24-105L f/4 lenses, and for further reach something like the EF 70-200L (of which there are about six versions, but I recommend one with image stabilization and at least a MkII version. You could consider the EF 70-300 4.5-5.6 IS USM MkII, which is a good optic and likely to be cheaper. The EF FF lenses tend to be on the more expensive side, and if you are going professional you need good glass - the L series are built for professional use. Remember, you have absolutely no ability whatsoever to make mistakes at critical events like a wedding you will not be forgiven for failing to come up with professional output for a non-repeatable occasion.
Other genres, like landscape, sports, and wildlife have their own specific equipment requirements so it is critical to be very specific as to your intended fields of work.
Taking images is only part of the job, you need to consider the output - so you want to have a good print making service to produce professional-quality images, and decent PP software to ensure that you can print to the specific needs of a printer.
Unless you can be assured of shooting in available light, you need to create your own, through strobes or lighting panels and know how to use them.
Outside of the issues of a camera, you need to consider other business issues, such as legal requirements and contracts, professional liability and taxation if you are starting a business. Those are not cheap, but without protection of contracts and insurance you could end up seriously out of pocket if you are not clear about what you will deliver and are not covered for unforeseen events.
Going pro has a lot more to it than getting a good camera. I'm not trying to dampen your enthusiasm but I have come across a lot of folks who want to be professionals and don't consider all the other things that are not tied to camera gear - and I don't want you to fall foul of those.
11-20-2023 08:08 AM - edited 11-20-2023 08:11 AM
Greetings,
I started this post yesterday, and thought I'd give the thread starter a chance to reply. My comments have some of the items mentioned by Trevor.
"A camera that can handle most situations for $1300" is a tall request. Besides a contract and prelim discussion with the party you are performing services for, a camera with dual card slots is really recommended for performing professional gigs. This is for your protection as well as the customer and is something I suggest you consider. This is probably one of the reasons why Ricky asked if you were going to be paid or not?
Taking lenses with you (moving forward) is often helpful, but not always possible until you decide on a particular format. You mentioned a mkIII? Does this mean 5D mkIII? If so, that's a full frame camera.
As far as upgrading to another DSLR. This investment too should be considered. Canon is no longer developing DSLR's, nor are they making new EF or EF-S lenses. If you are considering embarking into professional photography, doing so (starting out) with a platform and lenses which are on the decline might not be the best choice. We were having this discussion earlier on another thread. Someone in a similar situation who was trying to decide what's next. A colleague here brought up what I just pointed out. (Waddizzle) The user contemplating the upgrade had a larger budget than you. It would be difficult if not impossible to purchase a professional camera, lenses and the extras required to start shooting professionally on your budget. You cannot do this with 1 lens, 1 battery or 1 memory card (for example).
Regardless of which platform you choose DSLR or Mirrorless, you are going to be challenged doing so with a limited budget. If this will be for fun, this lowers the expectation. I'd still recommend mirrorless given what you own now and intent to invest in.
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11-20-2023 06:27 PM - edited 11-20-2023 07:02 PM
Rick's comments chime with mine. I think you will be challenged to get any of the higher end DSLRs or Mirrorless Interchangeable Lens Cameras (MILCs) within that budget, especially with a lens that is fit for any professional work.
As we have all alluded to, being a professional is far, far more than the gear and I would recommend looking at a camera you can grow with as an amateur without pressure to produce for others. Many of us have been professionals and we know how tough it can be to work in a competitive and demanding market - one has to be on top of one's game.
In that respect, given you seem to really enjoy photography, I would suggest watching these videos from Sean Tucker (definitely continue to the second one!). Sean is a great photographer for whom I have great respect, and who has a great deal of common sense - worth following:
Having hopefully done so, I would encourage you to come back to us with an idea of the market space you hope to work in as a pro (e.g. events, sports, stock photography): considering subject types (e.g. street, studio portraits, wildlife, architecture), and what you hope to produce (digital media, video, smaller prints, portfolios, industrial, commercial).
Consider the competition... Right now the following sites offer royalty-free images from some excellent photographers, and from now on you will also be competing with AI-generated images for all but specific people, events of subjects - I encourage you to browse these sites and ask yourself if you can match or beat them.
It is becoming harder to work as a general photographer, so you have to have skill and talent, and a great portfolio.
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11-20-2023 11:29 AM
I admit I didn't bother reading all the fluff above but I can confidently say unless you go used $1300 isn't possible. Some of the time it isn't the camera that can't handle the situation as it is the lens. So this means you will need more than one lens further making $1300 not possible. I can say the 90D along with the Sigma 18-35mm f/1.8 DC HSM Art Lens is as good as it gets and not even any of the new R series will best it by a significant degree. And it would be close to that $1300 limit if a 90D is your love.
11-20-2023 01:09 PM - edited 11-20-2023 01:11 PM
Just because you can't be bothered reading the material posted by your colleagues does not make it 'fluff'. We show you respect, kindly do the same for us.
11-20-2023 05:46 PM
"Hey guys, I’m kinda new to the photography world... after seeing a Mark III in action at wedding, I know I need to upgrade."
You need to upgrade? What makes you say that? You can't possibly have outgrown the T6 at this point. I would keep shooting and learning. Do you really feel that you have mastered composition, the exposure triangle, thoroughly understand all the settings and controls on the camera and when to invoke them, are comfortable using Lightroom and Photoshop? Not trying to be snarky, but as a self-described newbie, you are a long, long way from being a real pro. And by a pro, I don't mean someone who makes $4.26 a year selling a few "stock" photos for chump change. Enjoy the hobby and the learning experience that comes from being your own worst critic.
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