6D Mark II announced

[John_SD]

Looks like the rumors matched up pretty well with the announcement today by Canon. I will seriously consider this camera, though I may wait for its already reasonable price of $1999 to drop some before making my purchase. For someone like me, who finds moving to full frame enticing, this camera will likely be it for me. 

And no, I couldn't care less that it is lacking 4K capture. I don't care about video in the slightest. 

https://techcrunch.com/2017/06/29/canons-new-6d-mark-ii-looks-like-a-great-update-for-its-entry-full...

[RobertTheFat]

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@Waddizzle wrote:

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@RobertTheFat wrote:

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@John_SD wrote:

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@Waddizzle wrote:

https://shop.usa.canon.com/shop/en/catalog/eos-6d-mark-ii-body

It sounds like it could be a really great camera for enthusiasts. 

I'm no fan of articulating screens, though.  Just one more thing to break.  And, I don't see how an articulating screen can be made very dust and moisture resistant.  

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I'm not too worried about breaking the articulating screen. But I would be concerned with the screen's water and dust resistence, as I shoot in the desert and around tidepools. The articulating screen would be of great use at the tidepools, particularly. Also when shooting flowers or insects, it will come in handy.

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The only camera I've had with an articulating screen was my first digital camera, a G-5. The three uses for which I found the screen valuable were shooting selfies, shooting at close to ground level, and shooting over crowds.

Would you believe that the spellchecker doesn't like the word "selfies"? 

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The 6D is a bit heavy for shooting selfies at arm's length.  It would be useful for ground level shots.  I shoot over crowds, anyway.

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No, the "selfies" I took then were from a tripod, fired remotely. The articulated screen lets you see what you're going to get if you're eyesight is good enough.

[ebiggs1]

"If it had a second slot, why would people buy a 5D?"

Great point and I am sure Canon knows better than to give the farm away on an entry level camera.  Pros will not like the single SD slot.  Just sayin'!

Hey, I am not saying it isn't a capable camera for the market it is intended for.  It, or the 6D, is just not for me.

[John_SD]

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@RobertTheFat wrote:

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@ebiggs1 wrote:

I just looked at the specs.  I didn't care for the 6D and I don't think I will like the 6D Mk II much more.  It is a FF 80D from what I can tell.  What's with only one SD slot Canon? It remains an entry level camera.

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Yeah, well, you have to start somewhere. I don't plan to buy a 6D2 either; I guess I'll try to save up for a 5D4. But if I were just starting out and planned to go FF later, I'd buy the 6D2 over the 80D. The focal lengths of the EF lenses I'd eventually need are a better match for the 6D.

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I'm in the camp of those who are planning to move to full frame. I must confess that I don't quite get the comparisons of the 6D2 to the 80D. I think a more realistic comparison might be the 6D2 to the D750, or any other entry level full-frame camera.

Don't get me wrong, I am sure that the 80D is an excellent crop-sensor camera. But I already have a crop-sensor camera and want to move beyond its limitations. 

[John_SD]

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@ScottyP wrote:

I was and still am very excited by this release. I have the 6d1 and it actually beat the contemporary 5d3 in high ISO IQ and at -3EV, in low light focusing. 

The AF points are not wide spread but they are really not much less spread out than the 5d4 so that concern is overblown. 

I couldnt care less about recording 2 copies of every shot vs only one.  Maybe some day a card will fail but never once yet.  I also don't care about video so lack of 4K is not relevant but the dual pixel AF will really improve video. I think I am a buyer. 

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Well, the camera seems to be getting rave reviews to this point. Its intended enthusiast audience seems clearly the segment that it is intended for. And the body lists at $100 less than the 6D1 when it was released. 

The knocks on the 6D2 -- no 4K video, no second card slot, no cheap, anemic built-in flash -- all add up to zip for me. 

This is the camera to move to, it seems, for those of us wanting to get into full frame, or perhaps continue with full frame, without spending $3K+.

[ebiggs1]

" I already have a crop-sensor camera and want to move beyond its limitations."

You will see the same limitations.  You are absolutely correct that it is a winner for the market it is intended for.  They will love it.

My comparison of the 80D is the features or lack thereof not the sensor which I believe could deliver better IQ with the choice of lenses.  Let's consider, if one decides to buy the 6D Mk II and the kit or "L" lens.  Example the 80D and the Sigma 18-35mm f/1.8 DC HSM Art Lens is likely going to exceed the 6D Mk II and the EF 24-105mm f/4L IS II USM Lens or the lesser EF 24-105mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM Lens in most areas.  But this is just my opinion, if you get one I hope all the best to you.  I am sure it will be wonderful just fun to discuss it.  Can't wait to hear how you really like it.  It's just not my cup of tea.

[RobertTheFat]

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@ebiggs1 wrote:

" I already have a crop-sensor camera and want to move beyond its limitations."

You will see the same limitations...

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It depends on how you define a "limitation" Canon's FF cameras have significantly better low-light performance than their crop cameras. If that matters to you, then moving to a 6D overcomes a limitation.

[John_SD]

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@RobertTheFat wrote:

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@ebiggs1 wrote:

" I already have a crop-sensor camera and want to move beyond its limitations."

You will see the same limitations...

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It depends on how you define a "limitation" Canon's FF cameras have significantly better low-light performance than their crop cameras. If that matters to you, then moving to a 6D overcomes a limitation.

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Low-light performance is just one area where the full-frame camera is better in comparison to my T6. When I went to my local camera shop and tried out a few of the full-frame cameras on display I was floored by how much bigger and better the viewfinder is!  The wheels and buttons are laid out more logically too. On the 6D1 I looked at, I seem to recall an extra wheel that was very useful. Thus, one finger can easily change shutter speed, while your thumb can change aperature. All while keeping your eye in the viewfinder. Nice!  Couple that with an expanded photographic field of view and a noticeably shallower depth of field, and I was sold. No more crop sensor for me. It is just a matter of time before I move on to FF. 

[RobertTheFat]

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@John_SD wrote:

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@RobertTheFat wrote:

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@ebiggs1 wrote:

" I already have a crop-sensor camera and want to move beyond its limitations."

You will see the same limitations...

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It depends on how you define a "limitation" Canon's FF cameras have significantly better low-light performance than their crop cameras. If that matters to you, then moving to a 6D overcomes a limitation.

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Low-light performance is just one area where the full-frame camera is better in comparison to my T6. When I went to my local camera shop and tried out a few of the full-frame cameras on display I was floored by how much bigger and better the viewfinder is!  The wheels and buttons are laid out more logically too. On the 6D1 I looked at, I seem to recall an extra wheel that was very useful. Thus, one finger can easily change shutter speed, while your thumb can change aperature. All while keeping your eye in the viewfinder. Nice!  Couple that with an expanded photographic field of view and a noticeably shallower depth of field, and I was sold. No more crop sensor for me. It is just a matter of time before I move on to FF. 

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You're comparing two extremes there. Canon's high-end crop cameras are much more similar to their FF counterparts than they are to your T6. The controls on a 7D Mk II are substantially identical to those on a 5D Mk III. And the viewfinder in your T6, like that in all Rebels, uses mirrors, while the viewfinders in the higher-end crop cameras use a prism.

I'm not trying to discourage you from going FF. I'm just pointing out that the effective differences between FF and crop cameras aren't as great as you may think.

Last summer my wife and I were out on my cousin's sailboat. At one point while I was steering, my wife, who had been sitting next to me before I took the wheel, accidentally took a series of pictures with my 5D3, thinking it was her 7D2.

[ebiggs1]

"...FF cameras have significantly better low-light performance than their crop cameras."

Robert pay attention!

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" Example the 80D and the Sigma 18-35mm f/1.8 DC HSM Art Lens is likely going to exceed the 6D Mk II and the EF 24-105mm f/4L IS II USM Lens or the lesser EF 24-105mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM Lens in most areas."

The Sigma 18-35mm f/1.8 DC HSM Art Lens is a constant aperture f1.8.  I don't care what FF you get, you can't give up that much aperture. Going form f1.8 to a f4 or the lesser choice of the f3.5-5.6, c'mon on.  Choice of lenses can make the 80D equal to or perhaps better than the 6D Mk II and certainly better that the current 6D.  Once again the choice to upgrade may be a better lens than a better body.

Let's see if memory serves me, the review I read said the 6D Mk II will be two grand and three grand with the better EF 24-105mm f/4L IS II USM Lens.  The 80D is $1100 and the Sigma 18-35mm f/1.8 DC HSM Art Lens is $800, or $1900 total and you may have a better outfit.  JMHO and two cents worth, as always.

[ebiggs1]

"...full-frame camera is better in comparison to my T6"

You can't compare a Rebel, plus an entry level Rebel at that, to a 6D or 80D.