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RF800mm lens fuzzy on EOS R5 Mark II

CVOHDrider58
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I have the R5 Mark II. Recently i purchased the RF 800 F11 IS STM lens. I have not been able to get the lens to focus. It is like it gets close but the image remains fuzzy. Is there something wrong with the lens or something I am doing wrong?

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@ebiggs1 wrote:

"like 1/800 of a second!"

And 1/1600 is even better. In any case these should be and the point is, they are the slowest SS for a big lens like the 800mm. So without further info the culprit might be too close and too slow SS or both.


The Eagle I posted was at 1/400 hand held and panning and 800mm. The softness in that photo is almost entirely from the distortion caused by a long distance with varying air densities. The small aperture diffraction blur has been mitigated by DPP "digital lens optimizer". It was dawn and the eagle was high enough to be lit by sunlight.

The minimum shutter speed with IBIS and lens IS and tracking is different than the old rule of thumb. With more rapid subject movement or a closer moving subject, then a faster shutter speed would be needed.

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https://www.rsok.com/~jrm/2024Oct22_Salt_Plains/2024oct22_eagle_IMG_2015c.html 

583A3085.jpeg583A3084.jpeg583A3083.jpegI have tried the A+ mode and in the M mode both, I have been using M mostly with this Camera but tried the A+ to see if it effected this issue. I have tried in Spot AF, 1-point AF, Expand AF, Expand AF area Around, and Flexible AF. Still get the same result. And I have tried at long distances. I am including a couple photos. One taken with my 24 - 105 lens. (All my other lenses work fine.) this to show the distance I was shooting. The other two are the best focus result I obtained.

 

I put in more information in my reply to JRHoffman75 above.

The focus issue happens prior to the shot. All other lenses work fine.

The attempts are at long distances. 

I do not believe it is shutter blur. I had not pushed the shutter button. I have also used it on my tripod with the same results in blurriness.

It appears to me that the item best in focus is the bark of the tree between the two red vehicles.  With a long telephoto lens, you will generally need to place a focus point on the area of interest in a crowded scene rather than letting the camera "guess".  

The depth of field in focus is limited with a telephoto lens even at f11.  I am guessing your camera was around 200 feet from the tree that is in decent focus.  With an 800mm f11 lens at 150 feet, the total depth of field in focus is around 12 feet so much of what is in the photo will be out of focus.  If you are further away, then DoF increases but it is still pretty shallow compared to more normal focal length such as a 200mm lens.

The EXIF data from the image shows it was captured at ISO 10,000 and significant noise reduction takes place at that ISO which will further reduce detail.  Some of the AI noise reduction tools do a pretty good job of estimating what is noise and will fill in what the algorithm thinks is the correct missing data but they aren't perfect.  With traditional processing, detail is reduced to smooth noise and that is going on to some extent with your image.  When noise reduction is applied, severe cropping makes the results far more apparent.  If you can frame the capture where the desired image pretty much fills the sensor then you can get away with a far higher ISO than if you need to crop and magnify from the sensor.

Attached photo was captured with an EF 800 f5.6 at around 100 feet and you can see that the grass just inches beyond the target bird is beyond the depth of critical focus.  The f11 wide open won't be this shallow but you still won't have a lot of depth of field.  Captured with EOS 1DX III and EF 800 f5.6 @ f5.6, 1/800, ISO 1250.

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EOS 1DX M3, 1DX M2, 1DX, 5DS R, M6 Mark II, 1D M2, EOS 650 (film), many lenses, XF400 video


@CVOHDrider58 wrote:

I do not believe it is shutter blur. I had not pushed the shutter button. I have also used it on my tripod with the same results in blurriness.


The blur appears to me to all be in one direction. I would guess camera motion. Is IS enabled by the switch on the lens?

At 800mm, even on a tripod, the tripod might move enough to create that blur.

Yes IS is on.


@CVOHDrider58 wrote:

Yes IS is on.


What shutter speed? 

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