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avasile
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Hello everyone - I am new to Canon world and I learn as much as possible every day. I have a Canon Rebel EOS XTI with the standard 18-55 mm lens.

I would like to move on to the next step and get a better lens(s) - one for close up, portaits (higher aperture) and one for every day use.  Mostly  I take picture of kids and family - so it will be running and diverse lighting most of the time.

My budget is alo limited in the sense that I cannot afford most of teh 1000.00 versions 🙂

 

Right now I am looking for someting that will give more the f3.5 and more sharp images.

 

I know everyone asked around but the camera model that I have was not mentioned ... but I am sure that most of the lens should work.

 

Thank you.

Adrian

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Adrian,

Portraits: Anything between 50 and 85 will be good for the portraits if the aperture is f/2.8 or wider. 50 mm would double up as general purpose shooting. 85 mm would double up as a modest telephoto if you shoot the kids running around outside where they are a bit farther away but would be harder to use indoors where you cant stand back 15-20 feet to squeeze 2 people in the shot. 60 mm would be good at portraits but would do double duty as a macro lens too.

Landscape: Landscape is USUALLY done with a wider lens, but not always. For that you might stick with the 18mm end of your kit lens. Landscapes don't move so if you use a tripod you can shoot with a narrow aperture for a wide depth of field in focus (like f/11 or f/16) because you can set crazy-long shutter times, like 1 second or 30 seconds or 1 minute or whatever you need.

General purpose: For the general purpose shots you probably want something wider than for portraits, and you can crop the image a little in post if needed. 40mm would be very good for that.
Scott

Canon 5d mk 4, Canon 6D, EF 70-200mm L f/2.8 IS mk2; EF 16-35 f/2.8 L mk. III; Sigma 35mm f/1.4 "Art" EF 100mm f/2.8L Macro; EF 85mm f/1.8; EF 1.4x extender mk. 3; EF 24-105 f/4 L; EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS; 3x Phottix Mitros+ speedlites

Why do so many people say "FER-tographer"? Do they take "fertographs"?

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ScottyP
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Hi Adrian.

You are on a budget and needing a wider aperture and a general purpose focal length.

You are shooting a crop frame Rebel so the "classic portrait range" would be 50mm up to 85mm. There is some wiggle room in that though. A wider lens (lower mm) may give you more general purpose uses in addition to portraits.

Getting a fixed focal length lens (a prime) instead of a zoom would give you a wider aperture and a sharper image and a lower price too.

For a one lens solution I would look at either the Canon 40mm f/2.8 pancake ($150-$200) or at a 50mm lens such as Canon 50mm f/1.4 ($375). The 50 is probably a bit better for the portraits being a little tighter view and less distorting of nose and forehead when close to subject. The 40 would be a bit more versatile on the general purpose stuff.

If you meant you want 2 lenses my answer would change. You could get that 40 plus an 85mm f/1.8 ($375) for very tight portraits (on your body) OR the 40 mm plus a Canon Efs 60mm MACRO which could do the portraits and also let you do giant blowup shots of tiny stuff close up like flowers, bugs, coins, etc. If that holds interest for you.

Just my suggestions. Good luck!
Scott

Canon 5d mk 4, Canon 6D, EF 70-200mm L f/2.8 IS mk2; EF 16-35 f/2.8 L mk. III; Sigma 35mm f/1.4 "Art" EF 100mm f/2.8L Macro; EF 85mm f/1.8; EF 1.4x extender mk. 3; EF 24-105 f/4 L; EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS; 3x Phottix Mitros+ speedlites

Why do so many people say "FER-tographer"? Do they take "fertographs"?

Scott thank you for your reply.

I am looking for 2 lenses indeed - so just to make sure I understood:

  • I should get the  Canon 50mm f/1.4 for closeups and portraits 
  • And then what about the every day use like landscape, kids running etc? would the 85mm f/1.8 ($375) do it?

Thank you again.

Adrian

amfoto1
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Good advice from Scott...

 

Without spending a lot, you aren't going to get a zoom lens that can do it all.

 

If you have the original 18-55, the lens was revised and improved considerably in the later IS version (better image quality). Now it's been improved a little more with the IS STM version (quieter and more accurate AF). This is still a "kit" lens, somewhat plasticky and inexpensive.... and all versions are slower f3.5-5.6 aperture.

 

If you are willing to buy used, a decent, but very affordable lens you might consider for general purpose shooting is the EF 28-135 IS USM. This lens has been sold a lot in kit with 30D through 60D, sometimes even 7D. So there are lots of them around and you can pick up a lightly used copy pretty cheap... $250 or less off Craigslist (or similar) is often pretty easy to find. It's not a typical kit lens... better built (though still not "top of the line"), fast and accurate USM focus drive, close focusing so it can be used for some near macro (get macro extension tubes and use those to get even closer). It has IS, to help get steady shots, and image quality is quite good.

 

One drawback is that the 28-135 is an older design dating back to the days of film, and 28mm isn't wide angle on a crop sensor camera such as your XTi. A more modern model is the EF-S 18-135 IS (doesn't have USM, but the latest version has STM focus drive). Both these lenses sell for upwards of $450 US new, when bought separately from a camera. But bought in kit they often only add $200 or so to the price of the camera alone. So people offer them up pretty cheaply used.

 

Now, the above zooms are f3.5 to f5.6... same as the lens you presently have. But this makes them more affordable and if you complement the "walk-around" zoom with a fast prime lens or two, you might find it able to do all you need.

 

For portraits and low light, you might get one of the lenses Scott suggests. The 50/1.4 certainly is a good choice. The 86/1.8 is another great portrait lens. For wider view, the Canon 28/1.8 is good, too... though we often don't think of this sort of focal length for portraiture, in particular (yes, Scott is right, shooting portraits you have to be careful about getting too close with a wider lens). There is also the Sigma 30/1.4.

 

And, yes, for a dual purpose lens you might consider a short macro lens such as the Canon EF-S 60/2.8. The Tamron 60/2.0 macro might be even better for portraits, since it's a full stop faster. Often with portraiture you want a lens with a large aperture, to be able to blur down the background a lot, to visually separate the subject from the background. The Canon has USM focus, which probably will be faster than the Tamron in most situations. Both these lenses are on sale right now, but still are well over $400 US.

 

An inexpensive option is the Canon EF 50/1.8... It's little more than $100 used and is a popular entry level lens. The EF 50/1.4 is a better lens, yes, with USM, nicer background blur, considerably better build quality, richer contrast and nicer color rendition...  but for the money the 50/1.8 is great for occasional portrait shots. For many poeple, it's their first introduction to faster prime lenses (as opposed to zooms, which are f2.8 at their fastest).

 

Now for landscape photography we often want a wider lens. There are techniques using standard and even telephoto for the puprose... but in general most people think of wide, when they are shooting landscapes. And, of the above, only the 18-135 is moderately wide angle. That's the same as your current lens, though, at it's widest. So you might just keep what you've got, for that purpose. Eventually you might want wider... and there are a number of possibilities, though most will cost $500 or more new. The Canon EF-S 10-22mm is one of the best, but is also one of the more expensive. There are also Tokina 12-24/4 and 11-16/2.8, Tamron 10-24mm, Sigma 8-16mm, and 10-20mm (two versions). There just aren't a lot of prime lenses that are truly wide angle on a crop sensor camera like yours. One fairly affordable prime that's pretty wide is the Rokinon/Samyang 14mm (also sells under Bower, Vivitar and ProOptic brand names)... but it's manual focus and manual aperture control only.  

 

However, again, for occasional landscape shots you might just keep using what you've already got.... Try stopping it down to f8 or f11, to optimize the image quality with it.

 

For landscapes and possibly some other things, you might want a circular polarizer filter (cuts glare, makes blue skies bluer and enriches other colors as well), but in general don't use filters on your lenses is my recommendation. Also get a matched lens hood and use it, for each of your lenses.

 

Your camera is a "APS-C crop sensor model".  It is fully compatible with all Canon EF and EF-S lenses. So no worries there. Any third party lens made for Canon EOS/EF mount will fit fine, too... some are designated "crop only" while others are "full frame"... but your camera can use both types just fine.

 

The only thing I would note if you shop for used gear, some older third party lenses have incompatible electronics, with later Canon camera models. For example, I have an older Sigma 28-75mm that works fine on EOS-3 film cameras and 10D digital, but will not focus (locks up and causes an error) on later Canon camera models. So you have to be a bit cautious about older, third party lenses. Some could be fixed by their manufacturer, but many (including the 28-75 I've got), just aren't worth it. Sigma seemed to have the most of these compatibility issues. Tamron also had a few. I haven't heard of any such issues with Tokina lenses. And there are no such compatibility issues with OEM Canon EF and EF-S lenses and your camera.

 

Have fun learning to use your new camera!

 

Alan Myers
San Jose, Calif.
"Walk softly and carry a big lens."
GEAR: 5DII, 7D(x2), 50D(x3), some other cameras, lenses and accessories.

Adrian,

Portraits: Anything between 50 and 85 will be good for the portraits if the aperture is f/2.8 or wider. 50 mm would double up as general purpose shooting. 85 mm would double up as a modest telephoto if you shoot the kids running around outside where they are a bit farther away but would be harder to use indoors where you cant stand back 15-20 feet to squeeze 2 people in the shot. 60 mm would be good at portraits but would do double duty as a macro lens too.

Landscape: Landscape is USUALLY done with a wider lens, but not always. For that you might stick with the 18mm end of your kit lens. Landscapes don't move so if you use a tripod you can shoot with a narrow aperture for a wide depth of field in focus (like f/11 or f/16) because you can set crazy-long shutter times, like 1 second or 30 seconds or 1 minute or whatever you need.

General purpose: For the general purpose shots you probably want something wider than for portraits, and you can crop the image a little in post if needed. 40mm would be very good for that.
Scott

Canon 5d mk 4, Canon 6D, EF 70-200mm L f/2.8 IS mk2; EF 16-35 f/2.8 L mk. III; Sigma 35mm f/1.4 "Art" EF 100mm f/2.8L Macro; EF 85mm f/1.8; EF 1.4x extender mk. 3; EF 24-105 f/4 L; EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS; 3x Phottix Mitros+ speedlites

Why do so many people say "FER-tographer"? Do they take "fertographs"?

I totally agree with Scotty on the 50/1.4.  That'd be the first thing I get.

 

For the other stuff it's not so easy.  Kids and landscapes are two very different things that require different glass.  You really want a zoom (with length) for kids, no question.  Landscape you want wide.  I'd grab a cheap refurbished 55-250 kit lens from the Canon site for grabbing kids.  Couple that with the 50 and it should give you some new things to play with.  Down the road when you want to upgrade again either get a nice wide for landscape, or a decent general zoom (Sigma makes a 17-70 that covers a nice range).

This is great - thank you all for your feedback.

I will definetively get the 50 version and then will see - I am already looking at my next versionup for  the camera.

 

Exciting.

 

 

I was going to comment on your first post:

 

I was really glad to see someone post that they have an older Rebel camera and they were looking to upgrade...  their lenses.  It's hard to not get sucked into upgrading the camera with all the new releases, but you're absolutely doing it right.  Get some new glass, it'll transform your camera into something new.  Coming from the 18-55 kit, you've got all kinds of room to expand.  The 50 will add all new levels of sharpness and speed.  A telephoto will let you track your kids as they're running around.  A wide angle will definitely change how you look at things through the lens.  An upgraded zoom lens can really change things compared to that kit lens.  A 100mm macro will absolutely blow you away with how sharp pictures can be from what you thought was an old camera...  the list goes on.  It's all about the glass.

Some really good information on lens has been given and here is what I did this last weekend. I've filled plenty of CF cards with my XTI and still enjoy using it but have moved on to a 7D. Shooting some landscapes with the 7D and my Tamron 18x270 I was getting some great landscape shots as it's the widest lens I currently have. As i was set up for landscapes, a mule eared deer came out of nowhere and with the length of the Tamron was able to use that one lens for landscapes then a twist of the lens and I was getting some nice running deer through the pine trees. Since I have a mild selection of lens, it was nice to take care of both situations with one lens. Remember, you can rent lens and see how they fit your style prior to buying and that's been something I've done and for me it's worked just great.

Mike Goodwin 7D/400D/ Manfrotto 3228W Giotto MH3300/ 400mmL/ 50mm F1.4/28mm F2.8/28x135 & Tamron 18x270

Unfortunately fast lens, zoom and cheap don't ever go in the same sentence!

I am good with the suggestion of the 50 mm f1.4 ( effective focal length is 80 mm).

I would, however, get the 35mm f2 as a walk around lens. It's effective focal length will be 56 mm.

A 50 mm lens is considered "normal". And both of these lens are fast, way better than your f5.6 zoom.

 

I have three XTi's and to this day one of them rides with me in the pick-up with a 35 mm f2 on it, all the time.

It is a fantastic, go any where, easy to carry and use rig. I just love XTi's.Smiley Very Happy

 

Forget the 40 idea.

EB
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