chromalife 100 dye inks for fine art matte papers 🖨️🤔

[Photomagical]

we are a group Photo enthusiast. At the moment we discusses the use of pigment versus dye inks.

Acknowledging that dye inks have come a long way concerning longevity with Canons chromalife 100 inks, we were wondering if these inks can be used for fine art Matt papers as well, as glossy and semi gloss papers ?

The official statement from Canon below suggests not. Can someone offer an explanation for this?

“Note: ChromaLife 100 compatible photo papers include Photo Paper Pro Platinum, Photo Paper Plus Glossy II, Photo Paper Plus Semi-Gloss and Photo Paper Glossy” 

https://www.usa.canon.com/explore/chromalife/chromalife-100?srsltid=AfmBOorIX3Z62H-M62UNwA89knNwznB6....

[Patrick]

Hi Photomagical,

The time that an image will last will vary depending on printed image, drying time, display/storage conditions, and environmental factors.  Canon cannot guarantee the longevity of prints because of these factors.

The longevity of an image printed on any paper will be determined by these factors.

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[Photomagical]

I do not believe that you answer my question Patrick about using dye ink for matte and fine art matte papers ?
I am well aware of the number of parameters that influence the longevity of a print.

Best regards Lars

[jrhoffman75]

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@Photomagical wrote:

we are a group Photo enthusiast. At the moment we discusses the use of pigment versus dye inks.

Acknowledging that dye inks have come a long way concerning longevity with Canons chromalife 100 inks, we were wondering if these inks can be used for fine art Matt papers as well, as glossy and semi gloss papers ?

The official statement from Canon below suggests not. Can someone offer an explanation for this?

“Note: ChromaLife 100 compatible photo papers include Photo Paper Pro Platinum, Photo Paper Plus Glossy II, Photo Paper Plus Semi-Gloss and Photo Paper Glossy” 

https://www.usa.canon.com/explore/chromalife/chromalife-100?srsltid=AfmBOorIX3Z62H-M62UNwA89knNwznB6....

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The answer is yes.

Actually, the Pro-100 uses Chromalife 100+ inks. Canon provides ICC profiles for fine art papers with the printer driver. Third party suppliers like Red River, Hahnemuehle, Canson, etc. provide ICC profiles for the Pro-100 for their fine art papers.

I have printed many prints using fine art papers with my Pro-100 (which I have owned since May 2013).

Colors are not as vibrant on the matte papers compared to the resin coated papers. For hobby and club competition use they are fine. For commercial use most would chose pigment inks since they don't get absorbed into the paper.

[Photomagical]

Thank you for providing me with this information John Hoffman 🙏
However, this raises another question.

I was by the impression that all professional and enthusiast photo printers were based on pigment inks. Maybe Canon has chosen another strategy than Epson (I have a Sc-p800) with you were technology of dye based inks closing in on pigment.

&John Hoffman What was the reason for you choosing one of Canon dye based printers instead of pigment. The price of the printer itself or the ink maybe?

Best regards from Denmark🇩🇰

[jrhoffman75]

Good morning. I am just a hobbyist photographer; I don’t sell my work. 
I am not aware of any Canon printers larger than 13 inch that use dye inks since professional photographers use pigment inks because of their superior permanency.

A problem with pigment printers is the potential for head plugging. Frequent use is required.

When I purchased my printer Canon had a rebate program that resulted in a net cost of about $150. I think at the time the strategy was that they would make money from ink sales, which work out to about more than $4000 per gallon. Now with so many people refilling cartridges they seem to have abandoned that strategy. 

[Photomagical]

Thank you for your reply again. I have not had any issues with clogging even though my printer often sits for a month without usage. my impression is that this is not an issue anymore, but I could be wrong.

I probably will look into a dye base printer the next time I buy one if the price of ink is cheaper . I do not sell my work either, but do care about stability and longevity of the colors and it seems dye are closing in on pigment