R5 C Question about the different between Frame Rate Vs. Shooting Frame Rate

[Anonymous]

Hello there, currently I am working on a short film where we are using a Cannon R5C camera. My camera man shot the FPS at 23.98 however it saids the Shooting Frame Rate is 24FPS. I will be editing this footage and now I am concern this will mess up my editing workflow since the FPS are not the same.

Can someone help me understand what is the difference between the Shooting Frame Rate, vs the actual FPS we chose? I added a picture for better clarification.

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Thanks!

[andysj531]

It seems most likely that your DP had the camera in the "S&Q" recording mode (as opposed to "Normal"), which enables recording frame rates "off-speed" (e.g. 24, 30, 48, 72, 120 etc.) relative to the camera's base frame rate setting (23.976). I'm familiar with the shooting settings as an operator, but not being familiar with detailed post workflows, I'm not sure whether the clip will appear as 23.98 or 24 in the NLE software... but I think S&Q mode retains the base frame rate setting, and maps the recorded frame count across that setting, thereby stretching or compressing the clip duration from "real time." So, you won't have any in-camera sound recorded in S&Q mode, and it will probably be a pretty seamless issue, with the NLE just treating it as a 23.98 clip. If you needed on-board sound, you'll be out of luck though. 

[shadowsports]

Greetings,

I noted you made multiple references to S&Q.  Since F is not near Q on the keyboard, can you please explain what S&Q mode is?  My belief is that you are referring to Slow&Fast mode (high frame rate) recording.  

Thanks 🙂

Thanks

[andysj531]

Yes, sorry for the confusion, borrowing from Sony terms 😉 I did mean "slow & quick" which as you say Canon calls "Slow and Fast." 

[shadowsports]

Thank you for clarifying.  You described it correctly.  

@Anonymous.. The frame rate is the playback speed.  The shooting frame rate determines how many frames are captured per second.  

Credit to @andysj531 for his description.  You would see a slow motion effect if the shooting frame rate was 120fps since it would playback at 24p.

If framerate playback is 24p and you shoot at 23.97fps, the video is going to look smooth with normal blur.  The framerate will show as 23.97 in your editor.  The playback can be set as you wish.  You'd want 24p in this case.  

On the R5 C, audio is captured in standard modes, but as @andysj531 mentioned, audio is not captured in S&F mode unless S&F clip audio/wave is enabled.  Audio is captured to a second card.  See page 122 of the video user guide. 

eosr5c-aug10-video-en.pdf https://share.google/B8VsOna7hF9tnUA4o

I noted you were running older firmware.  I don't recall which.  The image you posted earlier was removed because it contained the serial number of your product. 

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