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How do f stops in a camera relate to the decimal adjustments in DPP4?

stevet1
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How do the f stops in a camera related to the decimal adjustments in DPP4?

Shutter speed and aperture and exposure compensation are expressed as f stops in the camera (1/3 of a stop, 2/3, 1 stop. etc.

But if you go to DPP4 and make adjustments in brightness, highlights, shadows, contrast, etc., the adjustments are made in decimal points. 

How do they relate, or do they?

Steve Thomas

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jrhoffman75
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@stevet1 wrote:

How do the f stops in a camera related to the decimal adjustments in DPP4?

Shutter speed and aperture and exposure compensation are expressed as f stops in the camera (1/3 of a stop, 2/3, 1 stop. etc.

But if you go to DPP4 and make adjustments in brightness, highlights, shadows, contrast, etc., the adjustments are made in decimal points. 

How do they relate, or do they?

Steve Thomas


Since editing adjustments are made by eye or watching the histogram I don't think a correlation to in-camera adjustment is important.

It is interesting that the adjustment range for RAW files in DPP4 is +/- 3 units, same a EC range in camera.

A quick test would be to record images at 0/1/2/3 EC in camera and then compare to the base image adjusted 1, 2, 3 in DPP4.

John Hoffman
Conway, NH

R6 Mark III, M200 (converted to infrared), RF lenses, Pixma PRO-100, Pixma TR8620a, Lr Classic

johnrmoyer
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Whiz

It appears to me that the brightness adjustment in DPP https://cam.start.canon/en/S002/manual/html/UG-04_EditImage_0040.html#EditImage_0050_1 matches the exposure compensataion adjustment in the camera. +1 is one stop brighter and -1 is one stop darker.

It appears to me that the "input white level" adjustment https://cam.start.canon/en/S002/manual/html/UG-04_EditImage_0040.html#EditImage_0050_11   can add up to 2 stops of dynamic range. 

It appears to me that shadows, highlights, and contrast change the gamma curve in some unspecified way, but may also change the dynamic range. https://cam.start.canon/en/S002/manual/html/UG-04_EditImage_0040.html#EditImage_0110_1  

It appears to me that the Color Adjustment Tool Pallet operates in HSL color space. https://cam.start.canon/en/S002/manual/html/UG-04_EditImage_0040.html#EditImage_0040_3 

It appears to me that the Tone Curve adjustment allows manipulation of the gamma curve. https://cam.start.canon/en/S002/manual/html/UG-04_EditImage_0040.html#EditImage_0060_3   

  

SignifDigits
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Interesting question Steve. Thanks for asking.  And thanks to both Johns for answering.


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>>The opinions and assistance are my own. Please don't blame Canon for any mistakes on my part.

stevet1
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This is what I was talking about

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These kinds of figures don't seen to relate to f stops in any way.

Steve Thomas

SignifDigits
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Steve,  you made me look!  Brightness, of course, would be the primary bar that would apply.  I notice a few things:

  1.  As jrhoffman75 noted above the max and min are +/- 3 - stops, just as the EC in viewfinders on Auto ISO, so MAYBE that's the case, but as he mentions that's not in the manual and the only way to know for sure is to test it
  2. I noticed that clicking the slider bar changes it in 1/5 (maybe stops) increments, and, of course
  3. You can input any decimal # that you want there between +/- 3.

For the rest I notice only that Contrast, Color Tone, and Color Saturation are all +/- 4 and Shadow and Highlight are +/- 5, and gamma are -10 to +5?  (max is unlabeled).  I am wholly uncertain of what those ranges represent.

DPP manual at https://cam.start.canon/en/S002/manual/html/index.html .  johnrmoyer makes reasonable assertions, but, really, it is hard to say from just the documentation.

 Again, good question.  I'm curious if anyone really definitively know the answer to your question.


>> Owns/Owned both Canon EOS mirrorless full-frame and APS-C cameras and associated RF, RF-S and EF adapted lenses - inventory tends to change on short notice. Same for flashes, tripods, bags, straps, etc.
Plus>> Canon imagePROGRAF PRO-1100 Printer. My photos are edited using no Adobe products.
>>The opinions and assistance are my own. Please don't blame Canon for any mistakes on my part.


@stevet1 wrote:

This is what I was talking about

stevet1_0-1786305725980.png

stevet1_2-1786305830456.png

These kinds of figures don't seen to relate to f stops in any way.

Steve Thomas


Those settings, other than brightness, have no direct relation to f/stops. They may be indirectly related in that more or less exposure may require more or less highlight adjustment, for example. 

John Hoffman
Conway, NH

R6 Mark III, M200 (converted to infrared), RF lenses, Pixma PRO-100, Pixma TR8620a, Lr Classic

SignifDigits.

You wrote, "For the rest I notice only that Contrast, Color Tone, and Color Saturation are all +/- 4 and Shadow and Highlight are +/- 5, and gamma are -10 to +5? (max is unlabeled). I am wholly uncertain of what those ranges represent.

The Tone Curve adjustment ranges from  - 100 to + 100. Figure that one out 😀

Steve

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