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It has been quite awhile since I have posted on the Canon Forum. Much has happened since I last did. 

 

I own a Canon 6D and a 40D (yes, it is still going!) I love my 6D. With it are a handful of quality lenses:

 

Canon 135mm f/2 (Just purchased in May and LOVE it!)

Canon 85mm f/1.8

Canon 24-105mm f/4

Canon 16-35mm f/4

Canon 50mm /f1.8

 

I recently did my very first Senior Portrait shoot, and it went great! The student (one of my former band students) was amazing and we got a bunch of great pics.

 

My question now is this: with that limited focusing of the 6D (great for low light nothing moving), but not so great quick AF, I am considering a 5D Mark III or IV.

 

However....like for everyone $$$


I'm considering going the other way: the Canon 77D. I know that is a crop sensor, APS-C camera. But the AF sounds amazing. Truly would like to go "up" rather than "crop" (not "down," I know, but the IQ and the light gathering of FF really makes me happy)

 

So I am open to input on those who own two FF vs. one FF and a solid APS-C, like the 77D or the 80D. I know that money would be easier going "down" in price. But in the long term...


Thanks for your thoughts!

Sincerely,

 

Scott S

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Re: Second Camera

Have you consider waiting for a while ?

 

Canon will announce full frame mirrorless soon.

 

 

 

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 Thanks for your response, lly!

 

Are you familiar with mirrorless? I've read about them, and know one person who owns one, but not much else.

 

Is the IQ there with the Full Frames?

 

Thanks for sharing this thought!

Scott S

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ScottS,

If you are considering APS-C, an 80D is the only way to go. 

 

Then again, I agree with the wait and see whats coming from Canon.

 

Its possible the 5D4 will drop in price once Canon releases its first mirrorless.  Might not be dramatic, but will be some I'm sure. 

 

I'd hang tight.  But thats just me.  

 

 

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@shadowsports wrote:

ScottS,

If you are considering APS-C, an 80D is the only way to go. 

 

Then again, I agree with the wait and see whats coming from Canon.

 

Its possible the 5D4 will drop in price once Canon releases its first mirrorless.  Might not be dramatic, but will be some I'm sure. 

 

I'd hang tight.  But thats just me.  


The FF mirrorless may also produce a glut of refurbished 5D3's.

 

In answer to your original question, I'll cast a vote for going with a second FF camera. Canon's EF lenses are offered in focal lengths that generally fit better with FF than with APS-C cameras. And the FF cameras' better low-light performance also argues in their favor.

 

Full disclosure: Earlier this year I bought a 5D4 to go with my 4-year-old 5D3, completing my transition to FF. I still have one 7D, which my wife and I share as a backup camera. (Her main camera is a 7D Mark II.) I gave my other 7D to my daughter.

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I have quite a bit of gear, including the 5DIII,  7D, 7DII, 80D, M5 (MILC).  I got the EOS M5 (which it is touted has a performance roughtly equivalent to 80D) simply because I was injured and could not carry anything serious for a long period.   While I like the M5 for what it is I also must say that it has its own mount (EF-M) so you would have to buy EF-M lenses unless you choose to use the adaptor with the M5 for your EF lenses.  Personally I think that unbalances the light body with the bulkier, heavier lens+adaptor combination, so you may as well go with the 80D if you want an APS-C body.   One other thought... strong rumour has it that there is a 7DIII coming out in September.  If that is so you may expect a flurry of used 7DII's on the market.  It is a great camera, and is weather and dust resistant, but the 80D is a newer model.

 

 

cheers Trevor

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The 5D3 and 5D4 are good choices, but you want to know what else is out there.  The 5D Series are all around workhorses.  The 7D2 almost falls into that category, too, but it is better suited for action photographers than wedding photographers.

 

I would not knock the AF system in the 6D for when it comes to action photography, though.  For most action photography, you want a high SS, which frequently means ISO gets raised, too, something which the 6D is good at.  I have used the 6D for sports photography without any issues.  Friday Night Lights, are no problem.  At its’ currently selling price, the 6D is a steal.

 

If you like the 6D, then you would probably dislike the 77D, which should have been named T7s, IMHO.  The 77D lacks a few key features that are found in the 80D.  And, the AF system is slightly downgraded version of that found in the 80D.

 

If you like the low light performance of the 6D, then you would probably be disappointed with the 7D2.  The only time I use mine is outdoors, on bright sunny days.  The highest ISO I use is 800.  At ISO 1600 I find myself reaching for Noise Reduction sliders in post.

 

If you like the low light performance of the 6D, then you will be surprised by the 80D.  It falls midway between the 7D2 and 6D when it comes to low noise.  The 80D is pretty good at ISO 1600.  It has an AF system that is probably more sensitive than that found in the 7D2.

 

If you like the 6D, then you would love the 6D2.  The 6D2 has the next generation AF system found in the 80D, and the low noise performance found in the 6D.  The 6D2 also has a couple of feature not found in the 6D.  One feature I like about it is that you can dial in exposure compensation in Manual mode.  The 30% increase in resolution is the best improvement.

As others have noted, the Canon lineup seems to be “stuck between clubs” right now.  There is a technological leap in performance looming just over the horizon.  I cannot say what type of improvements are coming, but a 7D3 is going to have some large boots to fill.  

 

When it comes to Image Quality, both the 80D and 6D2 easily beat the 7D2 when it comes to noise.  They also have the next generation DPAF sensors, which give it a definite edge over the 7D2, which has a first generation version of the sensor technology.

If I needed a camera today, then I would go for the 80D or 6D2.  But, you have two working cameras, so you really do not need a camera today.  It might be wise to wait and see what Canon has to offer, because as others have noted, the price of current gear may drop slightly.

 

 

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@shadowsports wrote:

ScottS,

If you are considering APS-C, an 80D is the only way to go. 

 

Then again, I agree with the wait and see whats coming from Canon.

 

Its possible the 5D4 will drop in price once Canon releases its first mirrorless.  Might not be dramatic, but will be some I'm sure. 

 

I'd hang tight.  But thats just me.  

 

 



@shadowsports wrote:

ScottS,

If you are considering APS-C, an 80D is the only way to go. 

 

Then again, I agree with the wait and see whats coming from Canon.

 

Its possible the 5D4 will drop in price once Canon releases its first mirrorless.  Might not be dramatic, but will be some I'm sure. 

 

I'd hang tight.  But thats just me.  

 

 


Thanks for your input, Rick! I appreciate your insights. Do you own an 80D? If so, how are you finding the IQ? I tend to agree from everything that I've read, that the 80D is definitely a "cut above" the 77D.

 

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@RobertTheFat wrote:

@shadowsports wrote:

ScottS,

If you are considering APS-C, an 80D is the only way to go. 

 

Then again, I agree with the wait and see whats coming from Canon.

 

Its possible the 5D4 will drop in price once Canon releases its first mirrorless.  Might not be dramatic, but will be some I'm sure. 

 

I'd hang tight.  But thats just me.  


The FF mirrorless may also produce a glut of refurbished 5D3's.

 

In answer to your original question, I'll cast a vote for going with a second FF camera. Canon's EF lenses are offered in focal lengths that generally fit better with FF than with APS-C cameras. And the FF cameras' better low-light performance also argues in their favor.

 

Full disclosure: Earlier this year I bought a 5D4 to go with my 4-year-old 5D3, completing my transition to FF. I still have one 7D, which my wife and I share as a backup camera. (Her main camera is a 7D Mark II.) I gave my other 7D to my daughter.


Thanks for your insights, Bob!

 

How do you like the 5D4? Any specific improvements from the 5D3 that you consider game-changers? I've been wondering about which of those two to choose if I go "up" in my FF arsenal. Seems the pricing is almost unbelievably similar these days. I've seen a difference of around $300 typically!

 

Scott S

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Thanks for your insights, Tronhard!

 

That IS a lot of gear! Life is short! Why not Smiley Happy?!

 

If you were shooting portraiture (Senior Pics) or an event (Wedding, Reunion) what would you bring along?

 

I'm really "proud" of my Canon 40D for still making me work to get the right shot and then delivering. Tougher than with my 6D, though. I'm such a low light, IQ thinking person, that I'm leaning to a FF. But I keep hearing great things about the 7D Mark II as well. A professioinal wedding photographer friend of mine has the 5D3, 5D4, 7DII, and an old 40D. I should ask him, too, what he brings to a shoot.


I'm not a professional, nor are wedding gis in my near future. But after this senior photography shoot, I'm feeling that I might just get asked by more former students. The AF on the 6D worked for most shots, but made me nervous. The light-gathering and IQ was amazing when I "hit it." But there were some throw-outs. And my secret belief is that 40+ AF points on the 5D series would solve that.

 

Thoughts on your gear for those purposes?


Thanks!

Scott S

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