RAW

[Bdarin]

I'm new to Canon, have a Rebel 1200D. I don't fully understand the RAW setting. What does it mean and how does it affect the resolution? Thanks.

[Waddizzle]

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@ebiggs1 wrote:

"So, that is settled it can be done in both programs!"

It is foolish to think any post editing software could not do WB.  I simply do not have enough experience with DPP so I am ignorant of exactly how each version works.  I just use it enough to know I don't want to use it. 

Matter of fact I have removed version 3 altogether. 

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Okay, I was wrong.  Shows how much JPEG editing I did with DPP3. 

BTW, I think it is foolish to persistently push people towards state of the art products.  I think the best answers to a question are the ones that are the best fit for the person that asked the question.  I have been participating in various technical forums for nearly 20 years, and have moderated several for a major manufacturer.

As for this JPEG issue, I cannot understand why there was such a big push to edit JPEGs, when the best answer should have been to shoot as RAW, and edit RAW.  The actual wrong answer was the one that suggested you can edit a JPEG every bit as well as a RAW file.

[ebiggs1]

"Shows how much JPEG editing I did with DPP3."

Me neither, we are in the same boat there.  That is why I couldn't explain how to do it.  No biggie on either of us.  But when you have done this as long as I have there are some things you just know.

Yes, I plead guilty. I do try to push people to the best.  Perhaps it is a fault but I just want folks to be and to accomplish the best they can.

[RobertTheFat]

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@ebiggs1 wrote:

"Shows how much JPEG editing I did with DPP3."

Me neither, we are in the same boat there.  That is why I couldn't explain how to do it.  No biggie on either of us.  But when you have done this as long as I have there are some things you just know.

Yes, I plead guilty. I do try to push people to the best.  Perhaps it is a fault but I just want folks to be and to accomplish the best they can.

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A corrollary of the Law of Diminishing Returns applies in this context: Yes, better equipment will make any photographer better. But how much better depends on how good the photographer already is. The better (s)he is, the more difference better equipment makes. Encouraging relative newbies to buy very expensive equipment is usually not doing them a favor, because the degree of improvement probably won't be worth the outlay.

Often, in this forum, the type of photography a questioner wants to do is almost certainly beyond his skill level. In such cases, it hardly makes sense to have him go out any buy the equipment that a skilled photographer would need to do the job.

[ebiggs1]

"...  it hardly makes sense to have him go out any buy the equipment that a skilled photographer would need to do the job."

Every single one of us started at ground zero. So, it hardly makes sense to have them get better gear?  You didn't stay there in kindergarten so don't expect anybody else to.

The fact remains some will be happy forever with a Rebel and kit.  Some will be happy with a P&S.  Heck some are happy with an iPhone.  But if we don't expand their knowledge, how will they learn or know?

I teach music at our local school.  There are some instrument brands we do not allow.  Why, because there are so many better, or best if you will, instruments available.  Some are just horrible.  This also applies to photography as it does with almost anything you do.

I will continue to push folks to be the best they can be.  If it means Lightroom over DPP so be it.

[RobertTheFat]

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@ebiggs1 wrote:

"...  it hardly makes sense to have him go out any buy the equipment that a skilled photographer would need to do the job."

Every single one of us started at ground zero. So, it hardly makes sense to have them get better gear?  You didn't stay there in kindergarten so don't expect anybody else to.

The fact remains some will be happy forever with a Rebel and kit.  Some will be happy with a P&S.  Heck some are happy with an iPhone.  But if we don't expand their knowledge, how will they learn or know?

I teach music at our local school.  There are some instrument brands we do not allow.  Why, because there are so many better, or best if you will, instruments available.  Some are just horrible.  This also applies to photography as it does with almost anything you do.

I will continue to push folks to be the best they can be.  If it means Lightroom over DPP so be it.

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I see your point, but I hope you see mine. Buying very good (i.e., expensive) equipment when you're not ready to use it is often a waste of money. When my wife and I upgraded from Powershots, we bought a pair of Rebel XTi's. The XTi was a good but not great camera, but it was what we were ready for. Over time, we've done further upgrades: my best camera is now a 5D Mark III; her best is a 7D Mark II. Suppose that insead of XTi's, we'd bought, say, a 5D and a 30D. Now those cameras are every bit as obsolete as our XTi's, but we would have spent a lot more money on them. And our current cameras would probably still be what they now are.

[ebiggs1]

Bob from Boston,

"I see your point, but I hope you see mine."

Sorta, I guess.  There is always pluses and minuses on each side of every situation.  But your situation is comparing something that is pretty good right from the get go.  I am comparing something, IMHO, that won't do the the job.  Ever!  DPP vs LR.

Yes one is free and one costs $150 bucks or so but LR is far superior.  If the person never uses or advances to the top level LR is capable of, I guess it is a $150 waste.

I don't recommend someone buy a 1Dx Mk II or don't get nut'in.  I do get ruffled when somebody says their iPhone is just as good as my 1Ds Mk III.  I had a yong fellow tell me he could do everything on his iPad that I could do with my Photoshop.

So do you educate him?  Or, do you say well that's OK you just keep that thought?  Or maybe you believe he can?

Why do we buy Canon?  Because we believe it is the best we can get.  It would be indefensible to say, or well I know it isn't very good but I bought it any way. As a for instance, I have tried Nikon.  I own Nikon and Nikkor.  I have found Canon is better so I shoot Canon.  Isn't that just common logic to get the best you can?