R6 mk2 train and airplane vehicle detection to R5?

[drewnailz]

Hello. I'm wondering if the updated vehicle tracking in the R6 mk2 will eventually make its way to the R5 via firmware. Does anyone have any indications or opinions based on the past? Crossing my fingers.

[drewnailz]

Well, I'm not sure why there was hype about the AF system upgrades that aren't in the 1.8.1 fw. Bummer. I'm not a DPP software user and am not going to change my workflow from Lightroom and don't see any immediate use for the pixel-shift IBIS feature, so it feels like a whole lot of nothing. It would be so nice it Canon ever expounded on 'Fixes minor issues.' lol

[shadowsports]

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@drewnailz wrote:

Well, I'm not sure why there was hype about the AF system upgrades that aren't in the 1.8.1 fw. Bummer. I'm not a DPP software user and am not going to change my workflow from Lightroom and don't see any immediate use for the pixel-shift IBIS feature, so it feels like a whole lot of nothing. It would be so nice it Canon ever expounded on 'Fixes minor issues.' lol

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Greetings,

I've never tried, but you might be able to get more information from Canon CPS regarding the release notes.  Not promising anything, but it might be worth asking.  

[Guyster]

The advanced AF modes are what I was really looking forward to.  I have to admit, their absence from this update is a disappointment.  I was looking forward to trying out the aircraft tracking mode at the airshow at March AFB later this month.  :o(  Boohoo!  Ah well, I still love the camera and will try it with the vehicle tracking mode on and off and see how many keepers I can get.

[drewnailz]

It would have been great timing to start the airshow season with some great AF updates, although the system is still amazing. Having said that, I have definitely learned some painful lessons after making the leap to mirrorless and choosing the R5. In particular, I live in the 1/30 to 1/200 shutter range to shoot wwii aircraft in the air and on the ground. Mech shutter in that range on the R5 is abysmal and my keeper rate is significantly lower than the 5D iv. You can't go to elec shutter because it creates horrendous rolling shutter effects on props or when trying to pan these aircraft. On the other end of the spectrum, when shooting jets at high elec shutter speeds and high fps, I have had 100s of unusable captures due to rolling shutter issues where anything in the fore or background is crooked or wings and vertical stabs are just plain distorted. 

If you haven't run into these issues, I hope you can avoid them by either using a different body if you shoot slow shutter mechanically for warbirds, or avoiding elec shutter if you are panning fast jets that are low on takeoff rolls. For airshow/aviation action photography in general, I truly believe the 5d iv outperforms the R5 significantly, at least for how I shoot. I'd much rather have 5-6 sharp keepers out of 10 at a lower res vs the 1 or 2 I get with the R5. If I just sell my car and R5 and go to the R3 with a stacked sensor and live evf, maybe I'd have the success that I'm desperate to find with mirrorless.

Have fun at the March AFB show. I'm excited to go try the one at Scott AFB (near St. Louis) this year for the first time. Some friends have told me that the lighting is fantastic with the rwy headings and where the crowd line is situated. It is great to still have some bases that put on free shows because the price of going to some of the privately operated ones is entirely out of hand. 

[Guyster]

Hey DN, I haven't shot many prop planes.  I often go out to Panamint Valley near Star Wars Canyon (aka Father Crowley outlook)...there's a military training route out there for low-level flight training.  There's a couple of choke points out there where they get funneled into some pretty tight quarters. During Red Flag Ops out of Nellis it can get pretty busy.  So, I've been trying to figure out the right exposure settings with the fastest shutter possible.  I'm using a sigma 150-600 contemporary.  I have a polarizer on it and have been trying f6.3 at 2000/sec and 800 iso.  Strictly using mechanical shutter. I've been noticing the images are just a bit soft and I've been using Topaz labs software to sharpen things up and remove any noise.  Handheld at 600mm with those guys haulin' ass ain't easy!  🐵 I've never been to the base at March, but it looks like the runway runs NW/SE so I suspect we'll be dealing with crappy backlighting.  CanonRumors had what looked like a screen grab from Canon listing the highlights of 1.8.1 and the AF Tracking was listed, but they've updated the page and that's gone.  

[drewnailz]

Oh how I wish I lived close to the low levels! It is on my bucket list to go check out a RF and visit the canyon while out there. If you post your work, I'd love to check it out. You can find mine @drewnailz on IG or @drewnaylorphoto on FB. 

I'm thinking that with the amount of light in the desert, ISO 100 would be a great setting to try next time. Topaz will do great with removing noise, although starting with a shot that was taken at ISO 100 or 200, you won't have nearly as much noise. You could also set up your ISO to auto but specify a ceiling for it with a range of 100-800 and let the camera decide what is best. Whatever it takes, find the path to a perfect exposure in those conditions.

Also, have you tried w/o the polarizer? I'm wondering if having the added glass elements for the sensor to see through is causing some of the softness. CPs can be great for pulling out details, especially in the sky, but I imagine most of the shot is covered with rocks. I'd ditch it for that situation. I have a friend who always shoots with one and I have friends who never do. I personally find that having that extra setting to manipulate as the light changes takes away from concentrating on perfect panning technique.

Handheld with that beast has to be a good workout. I took the sport version of it to an airshow a few years back to give it a test and IQ was a little on the soft side, but my arms were soft as well afterwards. Since the jets are fairly isolated in terms of moving from your left to right in a consistent area at the canyon, a monopod with a Wimberley MonoGimbal Head might be something to consider. I love mine and use it often for takeoff and recovery shots. It could mean that you could start to drop that high shutter speed down which could increase your overall IQ. 

You may have already tried all this, ha. Hoping I can help you find crispier images. I use Flickr quite often to see where a baseline could be for a shooting scenario. Have a look at Dafydd Phillips work and in particular, what his exif data is showing. You are most likely familiar with his work or maybe have even met him at the canyon.

[ata]

Hello, Drew. I started following your accounts. The photos are great.

Especially on flickr " B-17 "Yankee Lady " 👋🙌

[drewnailz]

Thank you very much Ata - much appreciated 😉 

[ata]

You're welcome.🙂

[Guyster]

Hey Drew.  I have a few featured on Pexels, but I have no idea how you'd find them.  Their search engine is pretty horrible.  Maybe you can find me on facebook, I've got some posted there (Guy Seela).  I'm not a big social media guy so I'm not even sure how you'd find those lol.  Most of what I have posted were taken with the EOS R and that same lense and without the CP.  I think I lose a stop maybe 1.5 with it.  I've not held the Sport version of that lense, but I've heard it's a heavy **bleep**.  🐵  I had shoulder surgery in February, and it's still a LONG way from being right.  I've taken a tripod with gimble on some shoots out there, and it definitely helps.  There's a R-2508 complex guide out there you can search up...it has a rough map of the MTR.  I often hang out around point Juliet with my scanner which sometimes helps because they (sometimes) announce when they're entering and at what point.  If you hear anything about point Juliet, get ready.  🐵  My town (Ridgecrest) is about an hour away from Panamint Valley out there.  There's a Navy base here (China Lake) and while I was working from home with my shoulder healing, I set up my tripod in the backyard and got a few shots - one is a couple of F18/G electronic warfare Growlers flying nice and tight.  I opened my front door and when I heard them, I'd haul ass outside and hope to get a couple shots.  I'll post those up tonight on FB...they're not great, but meh.  I cropped them to maybe about half size.  I'm hoping this shoulder starts coming along...it's still pretty painful when I reach up and holding that camera up is not a lot of fun right now.  I'm gonna look for your work and visit Dafydd's stuff on Flickr.  If you do get out this way, definitely let me know and it'd be great to hang out and get a private air show.  I think the 3rd session for red flag is scheduled sometime in July...hot as you know what out there, but it's fun when the pilot's see you out there and make several passes.  Had a couple of Hornets out of...crap, don't remember now which base...somewhere on the East coast...made several passes right over me as they chased one another around. The lead plane had Lt. Bratton "Whiskers" on it and when I searched him up, he was going to be on the Blue Angels FDT.  His WO was looking right at me in one series.  Coming from the R, the R5 is way better, but I still haven't managed to nail a single shot that's tack sharp out of the camera.  I'm beginning to think I may have a bad lense (jus my luck).  I've even taken static shots on a tripod and still look pretty soft.  I'd love to diagnose whatever the issue is...hoping it's something in the settings.  Ok...blah blah blah....I'll post those pics now on FB.