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lurechunker
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I am new to the forum and asking for help. Our granddaughter plays basketball and I would like to photograph her. I kayak and would like to photograph birds. Is the EOS 760D the camera for me? Other? What lens or lenses? How can I protect my equipment form damage from saltwater? Thank you.

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@lurechunker wrote:
My 80D with 18-55 from Canon store will arrive tomorrow. I think I made a mistake by not getting the 28-135. Should I leave the 18-55 in the box and send it back? I'd like to start with an "all-round" lens and one long enough for back yard birds.

Do you mean 18-135, instead of 28-135?  The 18-135 lenses are pretty good.  BUT, they will likely cast a shadow when you try to use the flash.  I know that older 18-135mm lenses cast a major shadow on a T5, so I would expect a shadow on an 80D.  The 18-55mm lens has a 35mm equivalent of 29-88mm, which is pretty close to 24-70mm that is very popular for use with full frame camera bodies.

 

The  STM version of the 18-55mm is a really good lens.  I would hang on to it.  I can guarantee you that whatever plans you have for using the camera, you will find new scenarios to use it.  I would keep the 18-55mm, and pass on buying a 18-135, so that you can budget more money towards your birding lens.  If you can afford to do all of the above, then by all means, buy all of the lenses you want.

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@lurechunker wrote:

What about buying a used or refurbished lens from B&H?


I am not sure if I have seen any Canon refurbished gear at B&H, not in the last few years for sure.  If you want to buy Canon refurbished gear, then I would only recommend the Canon refurbished store.  They will give you a one year warranty, not just a  "guarantee" of some kind.  

 

I think B&H has a fairly good and objective rating system for their used gear.  I think much of it is a bit pricey, though.  Many times they will offer used gear that is rated "good" that has an asking price that is more than what is being offered in the Canon Refurbished Store.  

 

Check what the B&H guarantee and return policy might be for used gear.  I've bought a used tripod head and a "hi-hat" tripod from B&H, and I think I had a 15 day return window, and a 30 day guarantee.

 

Good judgement needs to exercised when buying used gear.  You must consider the source.  You must consider the return policy, for which B&H has a good reputation.  You must consider the cost/benefit of expensive gear without a warranty.  You must consider can the used gear be repaired, if needed in the near future.  

 

With used camera gear, there is always a risk of mold and mildew contamination.  Canon's refurbished gear has that new gear smell to it, so I think the contamination risk is small to non-existent with Canon.

 

[EDIT]. If what you want is out of stock at the Canon Refurbished Store, be patient.  Most of the items will be back in stock in a month, or two, or three.  The "L" series lenses can sell out very quickly.  

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If you're seeing this as a single package bundle (it is common to find these bundles on Amazon) then this is the sort of thing we usually tell people to avoid.  They're charging about $100 more than the camera itself.   It's typically all junk-grade extras.

 

The camera with an actually Canon lens is good.  But often they'll bundle in extra "lenses" that are really just focal length multipliers or reduces that they screw onto the front of your existing lens.  They're not actually Canon EOS EF or EF-S lenses. Those "lenses" are often more trouble than their worth and we've seen more than a few instances in which they were of such junk-grade quality that the threads jammed when attaching them to the real camera lens and the owner couldn't remove them. They'd have to send the lens in for service to have the thing removed without breaking the lens (and I think I recall a case where it jammed so hard that the owner ended damaging the lens trying to remove it.

 

Also the "filtters" they own aren't worth having.  There are some quality filters that are worth owning... such as a good quality circular polarizer and as you get a bit more advanced you'll discover you can do some interesting things with a good quality neutral density filter.  But good quality filters, while not crazy expensive, aren't cheap either (e.g. it could cost $100 or even as much as a $150 depending on the type of filter and it's size IF it's a high quality filter.)

 

They often include a tripod... again, it'll be a junk-grade tripod ... very fragile.  I tell people that your tripod should not require handdling with white gloves.  It should be able to take a bit of getting knocked around and not break.  This is the gear that holds your gear.  If it goes crashing over ... there goes your new $450 investment crashing to the ground.  

 

Most of the gear these bundle deals include are gear that you probably would not select if you were purchasing it separately.

 

 

If you buy your T6 as a "kit" (meaning it will include the camera body as well as the EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 lens) then it will come with everything you need to start shooting except a memory card.  So you will need to buy a memory card.

 

Also... it's very important to make sure you are not getting "gray market" gear.  When you get your new camera, check the warranty card.  It should have a watermarked label across the front that reads "USA & Canada Only".  Canon will pre-stamp the serial number of the camera on that card (you wont have to fill that in).  Make sure that serial number matches the serial number on your camera body.  If it does, then you got a camera that was imported through authorized channels and authorized dealers.  If you do not see the "USA" warranty card and only see an international warranty card, then you received a "gray market" camera.  These are real Canon cameras, but they were intended for sale outside the US and they were not imported by authorized distribution channels.  Canon will not only not honor the warranty on such a camera, they usually wont even agree to perform service on it outside warranty (even if you are willing to pay).  In other words you own a non-warrantied and non-serviceable product... probably not a situation you want to be in if & when ever need service.

 

I would pay $550 for the bundle you describe.  For example, looking online, I see that B&H Photo sells the T6 in a bundle that includes the camera+lens (what Canon would normally include) but also throws in a SanDisk brand 16GB memory card and a camera bag.  Their bundle is $450 (the same as the camera alone).  The extras are advertised as being worth about $40.  Given that a memory card typically sells for a price somewhere around $1 per 1GB. the card itself is probably worth around $16 (give or take) and that means the bag is probably worth somewhere around $20-25.  That's not going to be a fantastic bag, but it is going to offer you some decent basic protection.  So there you go... you'd save $100 but would still get a card and a bag.  With that $100, you could probably buy a substantially better tripod (although a $100 for a tripod is nothing...  most decent tripods will run upwards of $200) and you'll avoid the "lenses" that you don't want to use and the filters that will end up at the bottom of your sock drawer.

 

 

 

Tim Campbell
5D III, 5D IV, 60Da

Thanks Tim. Excellent information. Is buying from B&H as good as buying directly from Canon? John

Look also at the Canon refurb cameras. Come with same warranty as a new camera.

 

https://shop.usa.canon.com/shop/en/catalog/cameras/refurbished-eos-digital-slr-cameras

John Hoffman
Conway, NH

1D X Mark III, Many lenses, Pixma PRO-100, Pixma TR8620a, LR Classic

As John points out, the least expensive option you'll find will be the Canon online store in the Reburbished section.

 

For example, here are two:

 

Canon EOS T6 with kit 18-55mm lens + 75-300mm lens for $389.99:

https://shop.usa.canon.com/shop/en/catalog/eos-rebel-t6-ef-s-18-55-with-ef-75-300mm-f-4-56-iii-refur...

 

Canon EOS T6 with kit 18-55mm lens for $349.99

https://shop.usa.canon.com/shop/en/catalog/eos-rebel-t6-ef-s-18-55mm-f-35-56-is-ii-kit-refurbished

 

These are refurbished cameras, but Canon provides the same 1 year factory warranty as you would get buying a "new" camera.  While a refurbished camera *might* have had an issue (which would have been corrected by Canon), often the camera never had anything wrong with it - the buyer changed their mind and they're not allowed to sell it as "new".  They do replace all the packaging, manuals, cables, etc. so the only difference you will notice is that it doesn't come in the colorful retail packaging.   You get the same warranty.  And you pay a lot less.  You can put the savings toward other gear if you prefer.

 

Both the basic 'kit' lens as well as the 75-300mm lens are primarily designed to be affordable.  This doesn't necessarily mean they are low quality, but it does mean that they lack features photographers prefer (such as a low-focal ratio that can be provided at any focal length in the zoom range).  

 

Low non-variable focal ratio zoom lenses substantially complicate the optics and it necessitates using physically wider lens barrel, larger glass elements, which now also have to be thicker glass elements, which increases the optical dispersion problems, which then requires the use of extra corrective elements to eliminate the color fringing around the edges, etc. etc.  so those lenses end up costing significantly more money.  (They are fantastic to use!!! ... just not cheap.)   Start with the kit lenses... and over time you may eventually deicde to get different lenses.  Since it's a removeable lens camera with over 70 lenses to choose from (and that's before we count the 3rd party lenses that it can use) you'll find you have a lot of options.

 

If you'd rather buy online, the major retailers are B&H Photo and Adorama (both out of New York).  I sometimes buy from B&H Photo, and sometimes I buy from a local camera store (ProCam - which has stores in Chicago and Detroit) as I do like to keep my local "real" camera stores in business (I can get service from a real camera store that I can't get from a big-box store that just happens to sell cameras along with washer & dryers and TVs.)

 

Tim Campbell
5D III, 5D IV, 60Da


@lurechunker wrote:
Thanks Tim. Excellent information. Is buying from B&H as good as buying directly from Canon? John

I can't speak to B&H as I haven't purchased from them, but I know that they are very well known and many customers seem to like them, amateur and pro alike. I would not hesitate to make a purchase from B&H. 

 

That said, I have bought directly from Canon and would do so again. I bought my refurbished Rebel kit from Canon, and it came with the T6 itself, a camera strap, an EF-S 18-55mm IS II lens and the  EF 75-300 mm. It also came with a Basic Instruction Manual and a cable to connect your camera to the PC if you so desire.

 

It arrived very well packaged and padded, in multiple boxes, packed inside of an outer larger box. All of the gear showed zero signs of use, wear, or blemish. And it came with the same one-year warranty that new gear would come with. So I felt that I had nothing to lose in that regard.

 

One of the reasons I went with refurbished is due to reading numerous posts here from users who went that route and were very pleased with the outcome. You can count me among them. Canon apparently puts the gear through a multi-point inspection process and fixes whatever needs fixing, if anything. I get the feeling that a lot of the "refurbished" gear is very lightly used to begin with. From a cosmetic standpoint, mine looked as clean as a brand new model. 

 

I believe there is also a 14-day return policy for the gear. 

 

Anyway, I don't think you can go wrong by making your purchase from Canon directly. I would do so again myself.

B&H, Adorama, Roberts are all very good.  There are some New York stores to avoid.  Stick with these and you will be OK.

Never buy a camera kit from Amazon. NEVER!

 

If you have a local read deal camera shop or a Best Buy that is good.  Plus they will let you try each model.  Local might be a little higher price but it is worth it to see it and handle it.  You get what you pay for.

 

For the most part filters are useless on a DSLR.  There are a few exceptions but not many.

EB
EOS 1DX and 1D Mk IV and several lenses!

Refurbished by Cannon seems to be the best option. I like the idea of a good product at a reduced cost. In looking at the Canon ad for the T6 bundle, I did not see "EF" associated with the 18-55mm and 75-300mm lenses. Should I be concerned? Is there a contact number to call for verification? Should I buy a protective filter? Any filter? What tripod do you recommend? What memory card? Anything else? Thanks.

I am now looking at a refurbished T6s with two refurbished lenses. Thoughts?

T6s is great camera. Even though it is a Rebel it has upper level features like top LCD panel and 19 focus points.

 

A T6s with two STM lenses covering 18-250mm would be a great kit. 

 

Hereis a screen shot of a frame with the 55-250 STM.

 

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Here's a screen shot of a 1:1 section of the image showing level of detail.

 

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John Hoffman
Conway, NH

1D X Mark III, Many lenses, Pixma PRO-100, Pixma TR8620a, LR Classic


@jrhoffman75 wrote:

T6s is great camera. Even though it is a Rebel it has upper level features like top LCD panel and 19 focus points.

 

A T6s with two STM lenses covering 18-250mm would be a great kit. 


That is an awesome package.  Just don't get it wet.

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