More R5 info

[John_SD]

Hopefully this won't get deleted, but Tech Radar interviewed David Parry of Canon (a product marketing specialist) and asked several questions about the R5. Some interesting stuff. I look forward to the camera's release. The last time I posted some info about the R5, in which a Canon source confirmed specs, our crackerjack mods deleted it almost immediately. 

[RobertTheFat]

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@John_SD wrote:

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@Waddizzle wrote:

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I agree.  I forgot the caveat that I am not inclined to heavily invest in RF glass because of my EF glass.  If I had to buy a new camera, it would almost certainly be a Canon mirrorless.  The horrific buffering in the Sony bodies makes all of them complete non-starters.

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In your situation with your collection of EF glass, that makes perfectly good sense. Re the Sonys, such as the A9 II or A7R4, I believe they have gotten past the worst of the bottlenecks. 

As for mirrorless vs DSLR, the shift is well underway. In most cases, if one were going to invest in a new enthusiast- or pro- level camera today, this is probably not the time to be buying a pricey DSLR, despite the occassional cries to the contrary. I would warn most people off of older tech now. Or as a wise man once said, "I pity the fool!" 

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"Be not the first by whom the new are tried

 Nor yet the last to lay the old aside."

                                                         - Alexander Pope

[Waddizzle]

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@John_SD wrote:

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@Waddizzle wrote:

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I agree.  I forgot the caveat that I am not inclined to heavily invest in RF glass because of my EF glass.  If I had to buy a new camera, it would almost certainly be a Canon mirrorless.  The horrific buffering in the Sony bodies makes all of them complete non-starters.

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In your situation with your collection of EF glass, that makes perfectly good sense. Re the Sonys, such as the A9 II or A7R4, I believe they have gotten past the worst of the bottlenecks. 

As for mirrorless vs DSLR, the shift is well underway. In most cases, if one were going to invest in a new enthusiast- or pro- level camera today, this is probably not the time to be buying a pricey DSLR, despite the occassional cries to the contrary. I would warn most people off of older tech now. Or as a wise man once said, "I pity the fool!" 

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No, they have not fixed the bottlenecks.  No firmware fix can correct it, either.  The problem is that Sony uses SD cards, instead of CF or CF Express cards. 

[John_SD]

One thing I will be interested in is how large the uncompressed RAW files will be with the R5. I don't think there is any word on that yet. 

Another thing. One area that mirrorless hasn't had much impact on among pros yet is shooting wildlife. Most still opt for Canon and Nikon DSLRs. I am hoping the R5 lives up to the hype of being basically a mirrorless 5D4 and can take the rigors of consistent outdoor photography. The RF lenses themselves are supposedly very well sealed. 

[ebiggs1]

"...but pros all over the world are also starting the make the switch."

John,

I don't know your circle of friends but none to very few of mine have switched.  The 1 series remains King almost without peer.

[John_SD]

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@ebiggs1 wrote:

"...but pros all over the world are also starting the make the switch."

John,

I don't know your circle of friends but none to very few of mine have switched.  The 1 series remains King almost without peer.

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Ernie, there is a lot more to photographic trends than what is observed among a group of personal friends in our hometown. Mirrorless is finding favor and growing use among pros in Asia, Europe, Australia, and elsewhere. This is common knowledge and is observed in the photographic press and on sites that attract an interntaional audience. 

[ebiggs1]

"... what is observed among a group of personal friends in our hometown"

They are hardly what you would consider "a group of personal friends in our hometown".  Matter of fact none live here or even close by me. These are not hobby shooters. They make their living with a camera.  The camera is just another tool in the tool box to them.  They use what makes them money.

You are a hobbyist and can love whatever brand and follow whatever trend is trending or popular, these folks don't do that.  If they choose to use a Canon camera it is what makes them the most money with the least amount of trouble and expense.  Will they go mirrorless?  I am sure they will as soon as it bests their 1 series.  Right now it doesn't.  Yeah, I suspect some have bought or Canon gave them a mirrorless to try but that's where it ended.

I have one friend, lives on the Missouri side, that shoots for the NCAA, he was Canon and went Sony.  I bought one of his Canon lenses. So, yeah, the future is mirrorless but the 1 series still remains King and will for some time, years, yet.

When I was at Hallmark, Nikon used to bring in all kinds of new gear for try out.  Didn't mean we bought in to it or kept it.

You love it, go for it. It's your dime.

[RobertTheFat]

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@ebiggs1 wrote:

"... what is observed among a group of personal friends in our hometown"

They are hardly what you would consider "a group of personal friends in our hometown".  Matter of fact none live here or even close by me. These are not hobby shooters. They make their living with a camera.  The camera is just another tool in the tool box to them.  They use what makes them money.

You are a hobbyist and can love whatever brand and follow whatever trend is trending or popular, these folks don't do that.  If they choose to use a Canon camera it is what makes them the most money with the least amount of trouble and expense.  Will they go mirrorless?  I am sure they will as soon as it bests their 1 series.  Right now it doesn't.  Yeah, I suspect some have bought or Canon gave them a mirrorless to try but that's where it ended.

I have one friend, lives on the Missouri side, that shoots for the NCAA, he was Canon and went Sony.  I bought one of his Canon lenses. So, yeah, the future is mirrorless but the 1 series still remains King and will for some time, years, yet.

When I was at Hallmark, Nikon used to bring in all kinds of new gear for try out.  Didn't mean we bought in to it or kept it.

You love it, go for it. It's your dime.

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Have it your way for now, Ernie, but it wouldn't surprise me if Canon came out with a mirrorless replacement for the 1 series within the next year or two. If you think about it, it makes a lot of sense. All else equal, a mirrorless has more need for the larger body size, because of the latter's greater battery capacity. (So far, all serious mirrorless cameras have been battery hogs, and there's no reason to suppose that will change anytime soon.) And RF lenses and lack of a mirror assembly could make it less absurdly heavy than a 1DX. And if you don't think many pros will love it, I think you're dreaming.

[ebiggs1]

Robert I couldn't have make it any more clear than a button hook in the well water...........

"So, yeah, the future is mirrorless but the 1 series still remains King and will for some time, years, yet."

I did not say any of the things you accused me of.  Mirrorless is just not today!

[RobertTheFat]

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@ebiggs1 wrote:

Robert I couldn't have make it any more clear than a button hook in the well water...........

"So, yeah, the future is mirrorless but the 1 series still remains King and will for some time, years, yet."

I did not say any of the things you accused me of.  Mirrorless is just not today!

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To the best of my recollection, the only thing I accused you of saying was that you would eschew the 1DX. And we all know how that turned out.  

[wq9nsc]

Two simple questions:

1.What would improve with the current 1DX III by going mirrorless?

2. What would be worse?

I can answer #2 easily.  A far worse viewfinder system that would be a tremendous negative for sports, reduced battery life (image sensor and A/D converter constantly operating, EVF and its support subsystem constantly operating), and unless Canon has done some new magic then a constantly active image sensor is going to have degraded noise performance from thermal gain especially noticeable in low light sports shooting.

Mirrorless makes plenty of sense for those liveview aficionados and those who shoot a lot of video but this doesn't describe the intended market for the 1DX.  A lot of people also couldn't understand why the 1DX III didn't increase resolution but for its intended purpose the 20 MP sensor is perfect for the intended workflow and provides better noise performance than a higher res sensor of the same technology and area.

With the lens most often used on a 1DX series camera, saving a small amount of weight due to losing the mirror mechanism is in the noise.  A 1DX is heavy because even using the more expensive metal compounds it is heavier because it is built tougher than the other series bodies to stand up to rough handling and work very well with the great white primes.

I am confident that I will own a mirrorless in the future and I could easily see replacing my 5DS R with a mirrorless at some point.  But I am not going to replace a 1DX III with mirrorless just because it says mirrorless in order to get a camera that doesn't suit its intended purpose as well as the current mirror type.  What next, mirror's cause COVID-19?  The 1DX III outperforms anything in Canon's line (and anyone else's line) for sports shooting and although Canon will certainly bring out a 1 series mirrorless, until they manage to overcome the drawbacks for sports they will either continue to offer a top end DSLR or make the CEO of Nikon/Mitsu Heavy VERY happy by ceding that market segment.

Rodger