01-18-2014 05:46 PM
01-18-2014 06:23 PM - edited 01-18-2014 06:25 PM
The latest firmware for the 5D Mk III is 1.2.3 but I doubt that is your problem.
High ISO grain is always worse in underexposed shots and in shadows. I get very little noise even at ISO 10000 with my 5D3. I suspect you just need to increase your exposure a bit.
01-18-2014 06:27 PM
01-18-2014 06:37 PM - edited 01-18-2014 06:39 PM
01-20-2014 03:40 AM
01-20-2014 10:36 AM
Can you post an example and perhaps also percent crop.
Several things come to mind...
First, High ISO NR only applies to JPEG images and not to RAW. When shooting RAW you'll have to de-noise on the computer.
I have _never_ thought much of Adobe's ability to deal with noise -- Photoshop and Lightroom are fairly marginal at this (and that's being kind.) There are third party noise reduction plug-ins which are much better. My favorite is Imagenomic's "Noiseware Pro". They do a better job because they do targeted noise reduction. It can deal with both chroma and luma noise (separately) and you can define noise and aggressiveness of noise removal based on brightness and frequency.
Next... the size you use to display an image will have a lot to do with whether noise is visible. I have images where a 100% zoom shows the noise, but unless you do a 100% zoom, you see hardly any noise at all. When you export an image which has been resized to a smaller size, the pixels are effectively re-sampled and this resampling has the effect of de-noising the image. Just because I see noise in an image, doesn't mean it will be visible in the final presentation of the shot.
Noise is most noticeable in the dark areas and generally not very noticeable in the light or bright areas. But be realistic about what you expect with respect to noise. The 5D III has _very_ impressive ISO compared to the vast majority of cameras on the market... but that doesn't mean it wont have any noise at all.
If you'd like, post a sample of what you're seeing and also include a "100% crop" (because the entire image shrunk to web-size probably wont show any noise.)
01-20-2014 11:37 AM
Actually LR is pretty good at NR. You can apply it selectively also.
01-20-2014 12:53 PM - edited 01-20-2014 12:57 PM
Yeah, with older versions of LR and PS I would specially convert high ISO RAW files using DPP, instead of my usual process with Lightroom and Photoshop. But now I've seen a big improvement in NR with the later versions of Adobe products... Lightroom 3 and later Photoshop CS5 and later. Now using LR4 and CS6, I rarely see need to use Canon DPP.
But I also use Noiseware Pro at times, with particularly high ISO shots. It can be used as a stand-alone or as a Photoshop plug-in. (I do the latter.)
If shooting JPEGs, make sure your in-camera NR settings are correct. All digital images start out as RAW files.... when you set the camera to produce JPEGs instead, you are simply doing the RAW conversion in-camera and all the "extra" data is thrown away in the process.
The key thing in any case is to avoid underexposure at all costs.
In order to minimize noise at all levels, you do not want to be increasing (pushing) exposure at all during post-processing. In fact, it's often better to be pulling or reducing exposure a bit. I know folks who regularly over-expose +1/3 or even +2/3 stop at higher ISOs... sometimes even more depending upon the situation. They get really good results.
Canon's metering seems to still follow the old rule of slight underexposure that was useful with slide/transparency film. You had to be very careful to prevent over-exposure with slide film, because the highlights in transparencies are a lack any "data"... the final image on the film is nearly or completely clear in those areas.... while shadow areas have a wealth of "data".
With digital files, it's just the opposite. Shadows are an absence of data, while highlights are a preponderence of it. So you are a lot better off over-exposing slightly... In other words, with digital files highlights are more "recoverable" than shadows. Just don't do too much, as it's still possible to "blow out" highlights to the point that fine detail is unrecoverably lost.
I also agree that one of the mistakes people make is viewing their images too large on their computer monitor. If you are looking at an image "100%", that's the same as viewing a 5 foot wide print from 18" away (assuming that your computer monitor is a typical modern one and is set to it's native resolution). Unless you are planning on making a 40x60" print, and even then since you will likely be viewing it from a much greater distance, back off to 50% or less when evaluating your images (feel free to zoom in when retouching, just don't expect miracles).
The best way to evaluate your images is with a print, anyway. You'll be stunned at the dynamic range, additioanl fine detail and overall quality of an image, once it's printed. It is nearly always far and away better than what you see on your computer monitor. When printing use a high quality printer and smooth, matte paper, for the the most critical evaluation . If your printer isn't able to print large enough, crop out a section of the image. Glossy and lustre/semi-gloss papers actually hide a lot of fine detail.
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