DSLR 101 2.0

[ebiggs1]

Maybe you will like these better.  I try to please! 

All with my best of class, 1.3 body the EOS 1D Mk IV.  Birders favorite camera!  I love this camera. 

[ebiggs1]

As you know I am not a big fan on DPP.  I doubt that is the situation but I don't really know as I never tried.  I know it does not make any difference in LR.  I really don't see it would in DPP either.  Ask Bob from Boston.

My advice, however taken, is worth exactly what you paid for it. Nothing.  I am nobody and there are thousands of me out there.

There happen to be right ways and wrong ways to do this stuff.  I found most of the wrong ways.  Mostly because there was no internet in those days.  You did or you didn't.  One of two ways to go.

[RobertTheFat]

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@jazzman1 wrote:

BTW............How did your trumpet playing come out yesterday???

Well, I didn't make a fool of myself. But I was playing only simple stuff - mostly "Taps" over and over at various cemeteries along the parade route. Playing a brass instrument isn't rocket science. Your lip and overall technique will deteriorate over time. But it's like riding a bicycle: you never forget how.

[jazzman1]

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I must be missing something. I see little or no lopsidedness in the first picture. The second is less clear-cut, but I'm not sure I see it there either. Coastlines are tricky. As a coastline recedes from the viewer, it will appear to converge towards the horizontal centerline of the picture. That's because more vertical space is being subtended, the farther out you look. Remember what I said about verticals; they look pretty much OK to me. Don't be fooled by the flagpole; the flag is pulling it in the direction of the wind. Note that the building behind it is straighter. You may just be too picky.

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Thanks Bob you're very kind.  I'm not picky, but I am hard on myself.  I'm my worst critic.  I'm somewhat a perfectionist in the things I like to do.  Not a total perfectionist, but somewhat of one.   I'm not a happy camper when I don't get things right.  I have been catching the blues trying to get my lines right in my pics on the water.   What you're saying may explain part of my delima, in that I'm not understanding just what the correct lines on the shore should be.  I admit, I forgot your suggestion to line up the buildings in the middle of the pic here, and keep letting the actual shoreline throw me off.  What you're saying here makes sense.

[jazzman1]

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@RobertTheFat wrote:

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I must be missing something. I see little or no lopsidedness in the first picture. The second is less clear-cut, but I'm not sure I see it there either. Coastlines are tricky. As a coastline recedes from the viewer, it will appear to converge towards the horizontal centerline of the picture. That's because more vertical space is being subtended, the farther out you look. Remember what I said about verticals; they look pretty much OK to me. Don't be fooled by the flagpole; the flag is pulling it in the direction of the wind. Note that the building behind it is straighter. You may just be too picky.

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Another thing I'm beginning to notice (or think I see) is many structures built on the water don't seem to all be perfectly level.   If not, then things on the water will line up different from eachother.  If so, maybe that's a factor in me getting my frames correct.  If I'm using something as a focus point, and that object is not straight itself, my lines will be off in my pic.   Just a thought that just popped up.

[jazzman1]

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@ebiggs1 wrote:

As you know I am not a big fan on DPP.  I doubt that is the situation but I don't really know as I never tried.  I know it does not make any difference in LR.  I really don't see it would in DPP either.  Ask Bob from Boston.

My advice, however taken, is worth exactl what you paid for it. Nothing.  I am nobody and there are thousands of me out there.

There happen to be right ways and wrong ways to do this stuff.  I found most of the wrong ways.  Mostly because there was no internet in those days.  You did or you didn't.  One of two ways to go.

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Don't fret my Obiwan, I'm convinced now.  I am going to get LR but won't have it for a few days.  It'll be 3 or 4 days before I get delivery from B&H.  Situations like this, I've encountered, is what can make decisions for me.  I will always have to get what I need, to do what I need/want to do.  This is going to be a costly week I tell ya, right behind getting the 70-300mm.   LR, Tripod Collar, and new sling...Oh Boy!!!

[jazzman1]

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@RobertTheFat wrote:

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@jazzman1 wrote:

BTW............How did your trumpet playing come out yesterday???

Well, I didn't make a fool of myself. But I was playing only simple stuff - mostly "Taps" over and over at various cemeteries along the parade route. Playing a brass instrument isn't rocket science. Your lip and overall technique will deteriorate over time. But it's like riding a bicycle: you never forget how.

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Bet you did great.  That must be tuff playing "Taps" over and over all day.  I give you guys brownie points just for that.  Playing Trumpet may not be rocket science but it's a talent I sure wish I had learned.  As I said, I'm a frustrated musician myself.

[jazzman1]

Can DPP 3 correct any of the issues I'm having with my pics???

[RobertTheFat]

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@jazzman1 wrote:

Can DPP 3 correct any of the issues I'm having with my pics???

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It can adjust the rotation, if that's what your asking, and can handle an unusually small increment - 1/100 degree, IIRC. IOW, less than one minute of arc. It's in the same tool that does cropping. (Do any necessary crop first, then the rotation.) In DPP 3 it's off in the "Tools" menu, but a little better integrated with the GUI in DPP 4.

[jazzman1]

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@RobertTheFat wrote:

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@jazzman1 wrote:

Can DPP 3 correct any of the issues I'm having with my pics???

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It can adjust the rotation, if that's what your asking, and can handle an unusually small increment - 1/100 degree, IIRC. IOW, less than one minute of arc. It's in the same tool that does cropping. (Do any necessary crop first, then the rotation.) In DPP 3 it's off in the "Tools" menu, but a little better integrated with the GUI in DPP 4.

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I was talking about straightning my lines, to correcting other stuff like barrel and pincusion distortion, and the other things I am encountering with my pics that need correcting.  Don't know what IRC, IOW, nor what ARC is???

BTW.....I used "Peripheral Illumin. Correct. yesterday, I had it disabled.  Then when I processed my RAW pics as usual none of the correction features (sharpness, color, tint, etc) in DPP would work.  All I could do was batch process to Jpeg and change size.   Seems if I use this feature in camera, DPP disables itself from any post corrections. 

I did download the data for my 70-300 to DPP.   But don't think it is going to be input in my camera.

[RobertTheFat]

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@jazzman1 wrote:

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@RobertTheFat wrote:

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@jazzman1 wrote:

Can DPP 3 correct any of the issues I'm having with my pics???

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It can adjust the rotation, if that's what your asking, and can handle an unusually small increment - 1/100 degree, IIRC. IOW, less than one minute of arc. It's in the same tool that does cropping. (Do any necessary crop first, then the rotation.) In DPP 3 it's off in the "Tools" menu, but a little better integrated with the GUI in DPP 4.

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I was talking about straightning my lines, to correcting other stuff like barrel and pincusion distortion, and the other things I am encountering with my pics that need correcting.

I don't know. I've tried to stay away from lenses that produce significant amounts of those kinds of distortion. They may be included in the lens correction options in DPP.

Don't know what IRC, IOW, nor what ARC is???

IIRC = "If I remember correctly"

IOW = "In other words"

A "minute of arc" is a rotational increment of 1/60 of a degree (to distinguish it from a "minute of time", which is a temporal increment of 1/60 of an hour).

BTW.....I used "Peripheral Illumin. Correct. yesterday, I had it disabled.  Then when I processed my RAW pics as usual none of the correction features (sharpness, color, tint, etc) in DPP would work.  All I could do was batch process to Jpeg and change size.   Seems if I use this feature in camera, DPP disables itself from any post corrections.

That sounds weird. You weren't trying to use DPP 4, were you? I'm not sure it supports the 60D. 

I did download the data for my 70-300 to DPP.   But don't think it is going to be input in my camera.

If you're shooting RAW, it shouldn't need to be in the camera. Having it known to the editor (in this case, DPP) should be sufficient. That applies also to peripheral illumination correction. The editor can handle it if it has the lens data. This stuff should be covered in the DPP manual. Shame on Canon if it isn't.