6D Mark ii- Are the owners satisfied? I backed away from it based on the bad internet reviews....

[secondlevel]

I backed away from buying the new 6D Mark ii based on all the negative reviews that it received.  However, yesterday I saw the DXO scores and the camera did ok.  That made me start to wonder if I was missing something. Can really produce a usable image at ISO 40,000?

I currenly own a 60D, 77D, and the original 6D.  I feel I have most situations that I encounter covered with these models.  Nevertheless, with the cost down on it and I already have lens and flashes I wonder  about it.  I would only need the body.

[Waddizzle]

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@secondlevel wrote:
It appears that there is a strong feeling that FF doesn’t overwhelm crop sensors in image quality anymore. I agree that the sensor used in the 80D is a dramatic improvement. But my main concern is being able to handle low light and high ISO.

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The 6D is a very good camera in low light, and the 6D Mark II is just as good.  As Ernie conceded, there is little ISO noise difference between an APS-C sensor and a FF sensor under “normal” shooting conditions.  

The higher the ISO, the more noticeable the differences.  I think the 80D could be the best APS-C camera body that Canon has offered when it comes to High ISO performance.  But, the 6D and 6D2 are even better at ISO 12800.

I also like the wider AOV and shallower DOF you get with a FF sensor.

[ebiggs1]

"I also like the wider AOV and shallower DOF you get with a FF sensor."

AOV and DOF comes from the lens not the sensor.

"The higher the ISO, the more noticeable the differences."

Perhaps, but you will still need to be a pixel peeper to see it in most cases at 12,800 ISO.  At 12,8 there likely isn't even a stops worth of difference.  Hardly noticeable in normal viewing distances with normal sizes.  And also likely not noticeable at much higher ISO's if social media, I.E. Facebook, etc, are the goals.

[Waddizzle]

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@ebiggs1 wrote:

"I also like the wider AOV and shallower DOF you get with a FF sensor."

AOV and DOF comes from the lens not the sensor.

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Nothing could be more misleading.  Putting a 50mm f/1.8 lens on an APS-C body will give you a very different AOV and DOF compared to putting that same 50mm f/1.8 lens on a FF body.  

It is called “all other things being equal.”  We are comparing camera bodies, not lenses.  

[Waddizzle]

Another feature that I have discovered in the 6D mark II is that it has two Auto White Balance settings, Ambience Priority and White Priority.  

I need to play with it some more.  The White Priority mode seems to use a lighter shade of grey, or maybe even “white”, instead of the standard grey to set the WB.  It seems to make white backgrounds, absolute white.

Haven’t quite figured out the Ambience priority, yet, though.  Either setting seems aimed at producing JPEGs.

[ebiggs1]

"Nothing could be more misleading.  Putting a 50mm f/1.8 lens on an APS-C body will give you a very different AOV and DOF compared to putting that same 50mm f/1.8 lens on a FF body."

Oh, is that so?  Not !  A 50mm lens on a cropper is a different animal than it is on a FF. It now has the equivalent focal length of an 80mm and the same AOV or DOF.  This is basic, you should have learned that a long time ago.

[Waddizzle]

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@ebiggs1 wrote:

"Nothing could be more misleading.  Putting a 50mm f/1.8 lens on an APS-C body will give you a very different AOV and DOF compared to putting that same 50mm f/1.8 lens on a FF body."

Oh, is that so?  Not !  A 50mm lens on a cropper is a different animal than it is on a FF. It now has the equivalent focal length of an 80mm and the same AOV or DOF.  This is basic, you should have learned that a long time ago.

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Yeah, I know.  That was my original point.  “I like the wider AOV and shallower DOF from a FF sensor.”  Or something like that.

[ebiggs1]

"In this case it is you that is incorrect."

Next time put your glasses on before you post.

" It now has the equivalent focal length of an 80mm and the same AOV or DOF."

[ebiggs1]

"Again I'm afraid you are not correct. Equivalent means equal."

Yes it does mean 'equal'.  But it menas it is equal to the longer focal length.  Not the printed focal length.

"I've been through this too many times in the past..."

I have no problem believing that!  

[RobertTheFat]

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Bryston3bsst wrote:

Again I'm afraid you are not correct. Equivalent means equal.

Last I checked 50, in no way, shape or form is ever equal to 80.

A 50 mm lens on a crop or a FF is still 50mm. A crop body gives it a narrower angle of view, not an increased focal length. Clearly you didn't read the article I posted a reference to....or anything in regard to what differences a crop body makes.

But, that's ok......I've been through this too many times in the past and I've found that once someone gets this notion in their head it is nearly impossible to change. I would post additional reference for you to read but I know you won't as you already have this falsehood engrained to be a truth.

So, you enjoy laboring under your misconception. Because I'm sure, in your head, you know you are right.

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I don't think I subscribe to your definition of "equivalent", but that hardly matters. In this context equivalence refers to the coverage that a given lens would give you on a different type of camera. The only time I've found it necessary to worry about such equivalence is when I'm using two cameras, one full-frame and the other APS-C, in order to compute the gap or overlap in the coverage provided by the two camera/lens combinations. Otherwise I find that I'm much better off thinking only about the behavior of a lens on the camera on which I'm using it, not on some other camera.

[ebiggs1]

" ... I'm much better off thinking only about the behavior of a lens on the camera on which I'm using it, not on some other camera."

Totally agree Robert.  One of my photography pet peeves is the whole crop sensor debacle.  I wish the term crop sensor had never been coined. It is unnecessary if you understand photography and the farther away we get from 35mm film, the less meaning it has.  You know a 5D Mk IV is a crop sensor if you compare it to a Hasselblad X1D-50c which is about 0.62.