6D Mark ii- Are the owners satisfied? I backed away from it based on the bad internet reviews....

[secondlevel]

I backed away from buying the new 6D Mark ii based on all the negative reviews that it received.  However, yesterday I saw the DXO scores and the camera did ok.  That made me start to wonder if I was missing something. Can really produce a usable image at ISO 40,000?

I currenly own a 60D, 77D, and the original 6D.  I feel I have most situations that I encounter covered with these models.  Nevertheless, with the cost down on it and I already have lens and flashes I wonder  about it.  I would only need the body.

[Waddizzle]

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@secondlevel wrote:
It appears that there is a strong feeling that FF doesn’t overwhelm crop sensors in image quality anymore. I agree that the sensor used in the 80D is a dramatic improvement. But my main concern is being able to handle low light and high ISO.

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The 6D is a very good camera in low light, and the 6D Mark II is just as good.  As Ernie conceded, there is little ISO noise difference between an APS-C sensor and a FF sensor under “normal” shooting conditions.  

The higher the ISO, the more noticeable the differences.  I think the 80D could be the best APS-C camera body that Canon has offered when it comes to High ISO performance.  But, the 6D and 6D2 are even better at ISO 12800.

I also like the wider AOV and shallower DOF you get with a FF sensor.

[ebiggs1]

"I also like the wider AOV and shallower DOF you get with a FF sensor."

AOV and DOF comes from the lens not the sensor.

"The higher the ISO, the more noticeable the differences."

Perhaps, but you will still need to be a pixel peeper to see it in most cases at 12,800 ISO.  At 12,8 there likely isn't even a stops worth of difference.  Hardly noticeable in normal viewing distances with normal sizes.  And also likely not noticeable at much higher ISO's if social media, I.E. Facebook, etc, are the goals.

[ebiggs1]

"I am surprised Ernie has not recommended that APS-C (7D Mk II) body, instead of an 80D."

I didn't know or have forgotten that was an option.  Was it?   If it was I would have, except it doesn't meet my best price per value point.  So, no, in this case, I am not recommending a 7D Mk II.

[ebiggs1]

"Where Ernie's argument breaks down is in that last paragraph. Canon's best lenses..."

Sounds like 15mm was a big deal if it is a complete "break down" !

"I didn't say I couldn't do my job; I could and did."

Right!   You sound like so many photographers I have met over the years.  If I only had more light or it was too bright.  If I only have my other body or lens or my tripod or my (?) and on and on..................but the shots look pretty good anyway. Don't they?

[ebiggs1]

"The 6D is a very good camera in low light, and the 6D Mark II is just as good."

I guess if I had bought in the 6D family and there was a camera at half the price that equaled it or even excelled it in a spec or two, I would defend it too.

[RobertTheFat]

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ebiggs1 wrote:

"Where Ernie's argument breaks down is in that last paragraph. Canon's best lenses..."

Sounds like 15mm was a big deal if it is a complete "break down" !

"I didn't say I couldn't do my job; I could and did."

Right!   You sound like so many photographers I have met over the years.  If I only had more light or it was too bright.  If I only have my other body or lens or my tripod or my (?) and on and on..................but the shots look pretty good anyway. Don't they?

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Have it your way, Ernie. I'll argue with you about equipment, procedures, composition, etc.; that's what this forum is for. But I wouldn't care what you think of my skills as a photographer, even if I thought you had the slightest idea what they are.

[Waddizzle]

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@ebiggs1 wrote:

"I also like the wider AOV and shallower DOF you get with a FF sensor."

AOV and DOF comes from the lens not the sensor.

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Nothing could be more misleading.  Putting a 50mm f/1.8 lens on an APS-C body will give you a very different AOV and DOF compared to putting that same 50mm f/1.8 lens on a FF body.  

It is called “all other things being equal.”  We are comparing camera bodies, not lenses.  

[Waddizzle]

Another feature that I have discovered in the 6D mark II is that it has two Auto White Balance settings, Ambience Priority and White Priority.  

I need to play with it some more.  The White Priority mode seems to use a lighter shade of grey, or maybe even “white”, instead of the standard grey to set the WB.  It seems to make white backgrounds, absolute white.

Haven’t quite figured out the Ambience priority, yet, though.  Either setting seems aimed at producing JPEGs.

[ebiggs1]

"Nothing could be more misleading.  Putting a 50mm f/1.8 lens on an APS-C body will give you a very different AOV and DOF compared to putting that same 50mm f/1.8 lens on a FF body."

Oh, is that so?  Not !  A 50mm lens on a cropper is a different animal than it is on a FF. It now has the equivalent focal length of an 80mm and the same AOV or DOF.  This is basic, you should have learned that a long time ago.

[ebiggs1]

Oh, Robert, "... I wouldn't care what you think of my skills as a photographer, even if I thought you had the slightest idea what they are."

Not bringing into question your ability.  If that was the thought expressed I apologize. Just trying to highlight the fact 15mm is not a break down to completing an assignment. (In most cases anyway.)

My meaning was, photographers always complain about stuff or want more or different.  It just seems to be inbred in us.