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5D3 + AF assist beam = slower focus

Carerra911
Contributor

Hello All,

 

While I am new on these forums I have been on the Canon Rumors Forums for a few years now, 

 

I really wanted to bring this too the attention of you and Canon as it is simply a highly important problem, those of you that don't know, the 5D3 suffers serious focus locking issues when a Canon speedite is attached in Low light, the AF assist beam causes lag with the AF from the 5D3, this makes it virtually impossible to achieve focus in low light when the speedlite is attached, I wanted to bring the topic to this forum, so I have pasted a link to all the discussion we have already had about this problem at Canon Rumors.com - see below

 

http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=10275.0

 

 

Please help in letting Canon know this is a very serious problem and effects the cameras performance in most working environments when a speedlite is attached and working in low light, conferences, nightclub work, weddings etc, and can stop the photographer completing the job or task.

 

Regards

 

Louis

www.louisamore.com
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I shot two gigs last night in very low light with the upgraded 5D3 and I am extremely happy.  The new speed to locl AF makes it feel like a different camera -- probably up to half the time to lock than before I upgraded.  I can't vouch for any of the other aspects of the firmware upgrade, but the AF lock speed with IR focus assist is WAY better now.

 

Canon:  Please get the fix out for this on the 1DX ASAP!  It doesn't seem reasonable to me that your flagship camera is lagging behind lower-end cameras for performance updates.

Sounds good and thanks for the update. There are now 2 pro wedding photogs at POTN shooting weddings this weekend. I'll post thier  responses.    

Posts the 2 wedding photogs.  I trust these people. 

 

1st

 

This is me reporting back after the wedding.

Yeah...pretty big difference. 

I never really complained about slow AF with the assist beam. I always felt it was deliberate, but nothing close to being a show stopper.

That said, even I noticed the improvement. Extremely responsive at the reception I was shooting tonight. 

 

2nd

 

Ditto 

seemed to be much faster to me as well. Very responsive. Like it a lot.

Hi everyone,
We have another important update on this topic. A firmware update for the EOS-1D X has just been released. Firmware Update Ver. 1.2.4 incorporates functional improvements including AF speed improvement when using a Canon Speedlite’s AF-assist beam.


To learn more and download the update, click here.

echelonphoto
Enthusiast

I actually sold my original mark 3 because of the AF problem...just got another one and uploaded the firmware...what a difference! I think the camera is just about perfect now. The next crusade issue.....the 630 RT's....a great advance and design for profession flash.....but the recycling has let me down....I will be starting a new thread on this today.

And no 2nd curtain flash on the new radio transmitter as I understand it.  What's the deal with that?

 

Scott

Canon 5d mk 4, Canon 6D, EF 70-200mm L f/2.8 IS mk2; EF 16-35 f/2.8 L mk. III; Sigma 35mm f/1.4 "Art" EF 100mm f/2.8L Macro; EF 85mm f/1.8; EF 1.4x extender mk. 3; EF 24-105 f/4 L; EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS; 3x Phottix Mitros+ speedlites

Why do so many people say "FER-tographer"? Do they take "fertographs"?

i can categorically confirm this firmware hasnt fixed the issue for me....

 

its is particularly bad on my 5D3 with 70-200mm F2.8 IS USM II

 

Am an experienced wedding photographer... and this camera is driving me insane.. low light focus and usability is just non existent. 

 

had a wedding on the weekend... and i cannot notice any difference pre and post firmware upgrade at all!

 

i cannot get this thing to lock focus... it just hunts and hunts.... and it happens on both my 5D3 bodies with a prime sitting on one and a zoom on the other... with 580 EX II sitting on both. 

 

sorry not happy with the firm ware fix at all

There are two issues of interest, at least to me 🙂 .  the issue addressed specifically by this thread is the use of the AF assist beam from a speedlite.  my testing shows, on my own 5D3, that this works very well.  at essentially "pitch black" conditions, my 5D3 works beautifully with AF assist, where the 580EX ii paints a nice pattern of light on the subject,enabling the camera to lock focus instantly.  within reasonable distances of course; 

 

 

the other issue at work is the AF performance itself in low light, without AF assist from a speedlite.  Canon specifies that the AF system is sensitive to EV -2, using the center AF point, f/2.8 and I assume a high contrast subject. 

 

 I performed an approximate test of this as well, by creating a lighting condition requring .5sec  at f/2.8 and iso 6400 to obtain a good exposure (thats EV -2 if my calculations are correct.), and my 5D3 captured focus just fine (I even acheived focus at  EV -3 but it wasn't dependable).  it takes a while (sometimes a few seconds) but this is, in my opinion, reflective of the accuracy and retry-credence algorithms present in the camera.  I have no problem taking that long to focus in that level of light because I'm usually not in a cave :-).  At that level of light, you can hardly see the subject anyway, much less a moving one :-).  keep in mind that the EV -2 sensitivity requires the center point.

 

in some ways, my tests were crude, i.e. I depended on the cameras own meter to roughly approximate EV -2.  In other ways, my tests were severe, in that I was using a 100mm macro f/2.8 handheld. I thought it was impressive to see the AF system lock onto what it surely sees as a moving target with very little light.  FYI I was using the default as-shipped focus mode. 

 

I repeated the above tests with my 70-200 f/2.8 IS II, obtaining similar results.  At approximately 15 feet subject distance and approximately EV +3, the AF assist even enabled focus on a very low contrast, dark subject (a treadmill belt, lol).

 

I can absolutely confirm a vast improvement in AF lock after the firmware upgrade, but it's specifically when using the IR assist. 

 

I've never had any issues with my 5D3 and 70-200 combo with either the old or new version of that lens and I shoot lots of low-light events including weddings.  In very low light the center point is sometimes the only one that will lock, though.  It's not going to lock in near darkness, but I don't have any complaints at all with that combo and I use it a lot.

 

If you're getting performance as bad as you say in a reasonably low light, you probably have another problem.

 

 

i can assure you that i dont have another problem... when i have two seperate 5D3 and 2 580EX II ... with two different lens.. on it... a 24-70 and a 70-200mm ..and they are both patched to the latest firmware and all using centre point focus.. and im still getting that issue ?????

highly unlikely

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