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Is the RF 24-105 f4 worth getting?

coter
Apprentice

Currently I have an R8 with the 50mm 1.8. I was really trying to get the RF 24-105 f4 refurbished but missed the stock by an hour. I keep looking at others noting how the lens is subpar for an L lens, with chromatic aberration and softness past the center. However, the alternatives suggested are always a 24-70 f2.8, which is an entire different price range of lens. Are the criticisms of the 24-105 true/ should I really save up an extra 700 for the f2.8?

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Waddizzle
Legend
Legend

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.  There are many reviews of the lens, both video and written reviews on web sites.  The RF 24-105mm f/4L IS USM was one of the first R seres lenses that Canon released alongside the EOS R.

The EF 24-105mm f/4LIS USM had been a staple kit lens for full frame DSLRs.  It was my first L series lens, as well as hundreds of other people.  I liked the images it produced with my [6D].  It was the sharpest lens I had ever owned.  I never really saw CA with the lens.  But I did not make a habit of zooming into an image past 100%, either.

My only complaint about the lens was something known as “lens creep.”  What that means is if I point the lens straight up or straight down, then gravity may cause the zoom setting to change.  This nuisance was reportedly cured with the EF 24-105mm f/4L IS II USM.  

I am sure the cure was carried over to the initial RF version of the lens, which was probably the Mark II version with an RF mount.  Again, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, as well as whatever your photographic needs might be.

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ebiggs1
Legend
Legend

I don't like reviews very much but that couple is one I would always avoid.

EB
EOS 1DX and 1D Mk IV and less lenses then before!


@ebiggs1 wrote:

I don't like reviews very much but that couple is one I would always avoid.


Beauty is in the eye of the Beholder.

I am not a fan of this couple, either.  Their reviews are frequently sponsored.  But, this was the first video that I found about this lens.  I can take no issues with anything he says in the video.  It was made during his transition to being a Sony fan-boy.

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Agreed.  For reviews I prefer Dustin Abbott or Ken Rockwell.  They seem far less biased than this couple does.


Gary

Digital: Canon R6 Mk ll, R8, RP, 60D, various RF, EF, and Rokinon lenses
Film: (still using) Pentax Spotmatic, Pentax K1000, Pentax K2000, Miranda DR, Zenit 12XP, Kodak Retina Automatic II, Kodak Duaflex III, and various lenses


@justadude wrote:

Agreed.  For reviews I prefer Dustin Abbott or Ken Rockwell.  They seem far less biased than this couple does.


Curiously, Ken Rockwell did not have a video about this lens.  Dustin Abbot had three videos that were much longer, heavy on the techno-babble.  Search results below.

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That is odd.  I never did research the F/4.  Actually I did not even research the F/4-7.1.  I went to the camera shop to purchase the R6 Mk ll (which I did research), and was told with the 3-day pre-holiday sale Canon had going on, I could basically get the camera kit for the same price I was ready to pay for the body.  Needless to say, I didn't go home to research it.  


Gary

Digital: Canon R6 Mk ll, R8, RP, 60D, various RF, EF, and Rokinon lenses
Film: (still using) Pentax Spotmatic, Pentax K1000, Pentax K2000, Miranda DR, Zenit 12XP, Kodak Retina Automatic II, Kodak Duaflex III, and various lenses

shadowsports
Legend
Legend

@coter,

To determine which lens you should buy, consider the conditions you shoot under most.  A quick review of DPP will let you see what f stops you use most frequently.  Do you shoot more below f4 or are you typically above?

The 24-70 is claimed to be marginally sharper.  My only comparisons have been online.  I own the RF 24-70 myself.  Visually, in the corners the RF 24-105 @f4 was softer in the corners (micro marginally) in comparison to the 24-70.  You have to peep pretty hard though.  Like Waddizzle, I didn't see any CA unless heavily zoomed in and even then, not in every photo.    Anything shot at f5.6 or > and the 24-105 is best in class.  Everything that an "L" series lens offers.  Having the extra 35mm of reach also comes in handy.

I took photos at my Niece's wedding yesterday.  They had 2 photographers and a videographer, so I was just the enthusiast Uncle.  I shot with my 24-70 all day but there were a few times I wished I had more reach.  I had a 100-400 with me too, but left the camera / lens swapping to the pro's.  I was a guest. 

I'd review what lens might fit your needs most (FL and aperture) and then make your choice.           

~Rick
Bay Area - CA


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Tronhard
Elite
Elite

Hi and welcome to the forum:

I have the original EF 24-105L f/4 and the new RF 24-105L f/4, and am reasonably happy with both of them - I am on my second copy of the latter, having destroyed the first one part way through a project, and I found the quality consistent and good for both, and that was shooting with the less forgiving 45MP sensor of the R5.

However, as I constantly maintain, much depends on what you need out of the lens. By which I mean what you are going to shoot, under what conditions, and for what purpose.   I tried the 24-70 L f/4 range and was impressed by them very much but, for my purposes, the cost and difference compared to the greater focal range of the 24-105 any difference in quality was, at best, marginal and the range won.

Pixel peeping for its own sake is a dubious experience, especially if fixating on corners - how often do you look at someone else's photos and closely examine the corners?  Looking at my own images, under normal viewing conditions and after applying the default lens corrections for RAW images in PS, I see no real issue.  That said, I don't spend my life shooting back-lit branches.

For example, the quality of output required for many websites, especially social media (such as FB) is very low and images are seriously downsized, perhaps a bit more resolution is required for digital display and small-medium prints, and on the other end of the scale is very large, detailed "Fine Art" images that one is going to sell at a premium and thus requires greatest quality.  Mind you, if you look at some of the most celebrated images of the last century they would be regarded as lacking of sharpness, even for the time at which they were taken - they are celebrated for their content or expression.  As Ansel Adams said 'there is nothing worse than a sharp image of a fuzzy concept'.  The average person will look at an image from a comfortable distance for the size of the image and will hopefully concentrate on content that you are presenting to them - as a generalization, it is likely to be other photographers who pixel peep.

Add on top of that, consider the sophisticated software that now comes into play for lens correction and post-production, and it puts a lot less pressure on the pure optics of a lens, or allows capabilities that hitherto could not be approached purely by glass.  This marriage of computational and optical photography is demonstrated with the RF 24-240 USM and RF 14-35 L f/4 lenses.  Without lens correction, at the wide end, they present seriously compromised images with massive vignetting and distortion, but that is deliberately built into the design - noting that one of these is an L lens.  They are corrected via algorithms for JPG in camera, or with lens correction for RAW in post to take all that away and make the image look very good indeed.   This methodology has been around in cell phones for some time, but it is finally making it into conventional dedicated cameras to give performance in areas that would not be possible without massive cost and weight of optics.  If this seems alien, consider that for film shooters lens correction was a totally alien concept as the product was a print or transparency - that all changed with digital - either through scanning film or via digital output, so the principle of melding software with optics is not new, just taken to a new level.

For general reviews, - like my colleagues, I am not a fan of the Northrop duo - I usually refer to Justin Abbott, and Cameralabs with Gordon Liang.  Their reviews are detailed, but I don't take them as gospel - for example both of their reviews of the lenses I mentioned above were before they really understood the significance of the lens correction software and were spooked by it.  Still, for those lenses that don't use this technology, I find them fairly indicative.

 


cheers, TREVOR

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p4pictures
Whiz
Whiz

I’ve shot with the RF 24-105mm F4L IS USM quite a lot since it was introduced with the EOS R in 2018. It’s the best of the 24-105mm F4L lenses that Canon has made. I rented the RF 24-70mm F2.8L IS USM to help me choose whether to buy that or the 24-105mm F4 and I couldn’t see the difference for what I need from a “standard zoom” lens. Images from both are difficult to tell apart even when shooting with the R5. Eventually I also rented the RF 28-70mm F2L and it was the one I eventually purchased as the images have a unique character at any aperture value. My decision was actually between the 24-105mm F4 and the 28-70mm F2 in the end.

Depending on your camera and usage, focus breathing correction for movies works with RF 24-70mm F2.8L IS but not with RF 24-105mm F4L IS so this might be important or not for you 


Brian
EOS specialist trainer, photographer and author
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