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90D + 12mm zero D Recommendation

wildwoodphoto
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Hi all,

I have a Canon 90D as a backup camera for shooting real estate (main body is a 5D MkIV). I use a 16-35 lens.

Due to the crop sensor on the 90D, the FOV is frustrating, so I want to try and increase this and am thinking about a 12mm zero distortion lens (e.g. a Laowa).

Has anyone tried this and what were the results?

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shadowsports
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Greetings,

Most obvious question.  Why not shoot with the 16~35 on the 5D4.  You are trading one problem for another.  

Use this calculator (Canon)

Laowa 12mm FOV 122*

Canon 16-35 FOV 112*

The moment you put either on a APS-C body, the FOV equivalent becomes 19.2mm.  Personally, I feel there is a fine line when shooting home interiors for real estate.  Small rooms are just that, small.  How wide is too wide?  The Laowa is not perfect, "close-to-zero optical distortion" so inevitably post processing is going to be needed to correct images shot under less than ideal conditions.  I know what agents have to go through.  Homes with no drapes, blown out or inadequate lighting, etc.  If you are going to shoot with the Laowa, I would do it on your 5D4 if you want the 122* FOV.  

If shooting on the 90D is mandatory, you can get 107* using Canon's 10~18 or 10~22.  What are you using for post production?  I don't know about Lr, but DxO has a dedicated application called Viewpoint which corrects geometry.  If you use Canon lenses DPP supports geometry correction.  Hope this provides some additional perspective and options.

~Rick
Bay Area - CA


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ebiggs1
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Boy before I would consider the Laowa lens I would simply check out and buy the old standby EF-S 18-55mm f/4-5.6 IS STM.

Plus, if I were you I would also look at Rokinon 14mm F2.8 ED AS IF UMC, too. The Rokinon is super sharp! And at a third of the cost.

EB
EOS 1DX and 1D Mk IV and less lenses then before!

MikeSowsun
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I think the Canon EF-S 10-18mm STM would be great for interior photos on a 90D. It is reasonably priced, and is pretty sharp with very little distortion. Plus, it would be even wider than the Laowa 12mm. 

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Mike Sowsun

shadowsports
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Ernie,

All true.  I'm not sure if the 18~55 will offer the FOV he desires?  I have the Rokinon 12mm.  I thought you have the 14mm?  Didn't I see some pics from you on B&H's website?  The 12mm Rokinon does 180* and would require geometry correction for real estate. 

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~Rick
Bay Area - CA


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I do agree with Rick the EF-S 18-55mm lens lineup is simply NOT wide enough for real estate work. The EF-S 10-18mm F/4.5-5.6 IS STM would be a better choice for this application. I can't say how good the the EF-S 10-18mm F/4.5-5.6 IS STM lens is because I've never owned or used this lens before. I used to own the EF-S 10-22mm F/3.5-4.5 USM lens and it was plenty wide enough. But the EF-S 10-22mm F/3.5-4.5 USM comes with a price tag though because the lens has a Ring Type USM AF motor. I have since donated this lens to a friend who has an APS-C camera. I replaced this lens with the EF 16-35mm F/2.8L III USM lens when I went Full Frame.

-Demetrius

Current Gear: EOS 5D Mark IV, EF 16-35mm F/2.8L III USM, EF 24-70mm F/2.8L II USM, EF 50 F/1.8 STM, EF 85mm F/1.8 USM, EF 70-200mm F/2.8L IS III USM, 470EX-AI & 600EX II-RT

Retired Gear: EOS 40D & Sigma 17-50mm F/2.8 EX DC OS HSM

-Demetrius
Bodies: EOS 5D Mark IV
Lenses: EF Trinity, EF 85mm F/1.8 USM
Retired Gear: EOS 40D, EF 50mm F/1.8 STM & EF 70-210mm F/4
Speedlites: 420EX, 470EX-AI, 550EX & 600EX II-RT

ebiggs1
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Rick,

The thing you need to remember is this EF-S 18-55mm f/4-5.6 IS STM will do 90% of what is needed for real estate photography. Yes, likely, there will be some times where it isn't wide enough. It is a readily available lens that will offer more versatile use besides real estate work. The Rokinon 14mm F2.8 ED AS IF UMC is a fantastic inexpensive lens that could fill that gap when needed. I was keeping the mention of distortion in mind since the OP mentioned the Laowa. I also like Mike's suggestion of the Canon EF-S 10-18mm STM 

 

My mother's side aunt and uncle were real estate agents and I did work for them way back in the dark ages in Rockville with Wilma and Fred and Bam-bam. The fact is you don't need an UWA all the time. Times you will however. I had my Argus C3, a Kodak Retina IIIC and later a Canon F1n and a 28mm f2.8 lens.

Give me a good tripod and Photoshop and I could do it all with a 50mil. 😁

EB
EOS 1DX and 1D Mk IV and less lenses then before!

ebiggs1
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BTW, both the Argus C3, a Kodak Retina IIIC had 35mm lens adapters for the standard 50mm lens.

EB
EOS 1DX and 1D Mk IV and less lenses then before!

ebiggs1
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"...  the EF-S 18-55mm lens lineup is simply NOT wide enough for real estate work."

 

Done a lot of real estate work have you? It's probably best to comment on stuff you have actually done.

EB
EOS 1DX and 1D Mk IV and less lenses then before!

I've done a little real estate photography. My dad was a real estate agent. He and I mainly used the EF-S 10-22mm F/3.5-4.5 USM lens and the EOS 40D together. That worked well for us. 

-Demetrius

Current Gear: EOS 5D Mark IV, EF 16-35mm F/2.8L III USM, EF 24-70mm F/2.8L II USM, EF 50 F/1.8 STM, EF 85mm F/1.8 USM, EF 70-200mm F/2.8L IS III USM, 470EX-AI & 600EX II-RT

Retired Gear: EOS 40D & Sigma 17-50mm F/2.8 EX DC OS HSM

-Demetrius
Bodies: EOS 5D Mark IV
Lenses: EF Trinity, EF 85mm F/1.8 USM
Retired Gear: EOS 40D, EF 50mm F/1.8 STM & EF 70-210mm F/4
Speedlites: 420EX, 470EX-AI, 550EX & 600EX II-RT

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