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24-105 Mark II vs 24-70 F2.8L Mark I?

marco79
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Hello Canon Forum People

 

here my post to ask an opinion about something that hasn't been mentioned in any review, forum or discussion. 

 

I am a happy owner of a 24-70 F2.8 (mark I) since many years. has been a gr8 companion in combination with the 70-200 F2.8

 

Although with years i am getting tired to bring both lenses for "not assignment trips" and i though i could use a new 24-105 instead. 

 

question: how better, or worse, is the 24-105 mark II compared with the '10 year's old' 24-70 f2.8 mark I in terms of 1)overall sharpness 2)color rend 3)edge distortion?

 

I didn't have time to test the 24-105 II properly but i believe that a 2016 lens could/should be equal or even better than a 10 year's old lens, even though the 24-70 was/is top range lens

 

any thoughts about this will be very much appreciated

 

regards

 

Marco

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@AllenP wrote:

I've seen in several posts folks refer to "...one stop faster." as RobertTheFat did in this discussion.  Could someone explain that to me?  


Do a web search for articles about “ the exposure triangle “.

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"Enjoying photography since 1972."

""...one stop faster." ...  Could someone explain that to me?"

 

Certainly.  A stop is either twice as bright or twice as dim.  In other words one stop larger (smaller number) lets twice as much light in the lens/camera.  One stop smaller (bigger number) cuts out half of that light.  The numbers are ratios. The scale is as follows: f/1.4, f/2, f/2.8, f/4, f/5.6, f/8, f/11, f/16, f/22.

 

But wait, there is more.  Shutter speeds also have stops.  However, the same basic logic applies. 1/100 lets in twice as much light as 1/200, etc. 

 

Get the 'picture'?   Smiley Wink

 

 

 

 

EB
EOS 1D, EOS 1D MK IIn, EOS 1D MK III, EOS 1Ds MK III, EOS 1D MK IV and EOS 1DX and many lenses.

The question was "24-105 Mark II vs 24-70 F2.8L Mark I?"

 

There are several variables to consider.  One lens has a longer FL and is one stop slower (let's in half as much light wide open).

Does the longer FL overcome that? The other is one stop faster (lets in twice as much light wide ope). Does that overcome the shorter FL?

There was also a concern with IQ or sharpness.  In real world photography I doubt that is a serious issue.  It might be with the pixel peeper crowd but certainly not in general use.  The newer lens should be sharper, why wouldn't it? It uses current technology.

 

EB
EOS 1D, EOS 1D MK IIn, EOS 1D MK III, EOS 1Ds MK III, EOS 1D MK IV and EOS 1DX and many lenses.

amfoto1
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@marco79

.... how better, or worse, is the 24-105 mark II compared with the '10 year's old' 24-70 f2.8 mark I in terms of 1)overall sharpness 2)color rend 3)edge distortion?

 

I didn't have time to test the 24-105 II properly but i believe that a 2016 lens could/should be equal or even better than a 10 year's old lens, even though the 24-70 was/is top range lens



Hi Marco,

 

No, unfortunately the image quality of the newer 24-105mm f/4L II is not equal to that of the older 24-70mm f/2.8L.

 

If you compare them both at f/4 and the same focal lengths, you will consistently see more chromatic aberration and less sharpness in the 24-105L II. This isn't to say the 24-105L II is "bad".... it's a convenient range of focal lengths on a full frame camera and has image stabization, as well as pretty darned good image quality. There really isn't a lot of difference in IQ between the original 24-105 and the 24-105 II. Most of the "upgrade" to the newer lens was much improved IS and possibly more durable build (we'll have to see, over time, if it holds up better than the original).

 

But neither 24-105 has as good image quality as the older 24-70/2.8L, which is excellent. (Or, for that matter, the newer... the 24-70/2.8L "II" which is even sharper.... some refer to it as "a bag full of primes" zoom.) This assumes that your particular 24-70mm is in good shape. The guys at Lensrentals noted that they can get out of adjustment over time, with use and wear (of course, their rental lenses spend a lot of time bouncing around in the back of a UPS truck and probably aren't used by renters nearly as carefully as you've used yours).

 

If your goal is to reduce size and weight, you might want to check out the Canon EF 24-70mm f/4L IS USM... It's smaller, lighter AND less expensive than any of the other 24-70s or 24-105s. Plus it's got IS. Plus it's incredibly close focusing (can do near macro 0.70X magnification.... rouughly 3X the magnification possible with any of the others), might even allow you to leave your macro lens at home (if you carry one).

 

The 24-70/4L IS appears to have IQ that's somewhere in between that of the 24-70/2.8s and the 24-105s. At most focal lengths they share, it's nearly as good as the f/2.8 versions. The 24-70/4L IS' weakest performance is wide open at 50mm. So, if you're 24-70/2.8 is in "good tune" and producing shots up to its full potential, with 24-70/4L IS you might see a slight compromise in IQ, but reduce size, weight and cost considerably.... as well as gain IS and exceptional close focusing abilities.

 

I'd recommend checking the lenses out side by side at The-Digital-Picture website. The Image Quality comparison tool there lets you see for yourself how highly magnified test shots done with each lens look next to each other, at various focal lengths and apertures. (Caution.... Bryan has done a lot of recent tests using a 5DS-R, which is extremely demanding of lenses... Unless that's the camera you're using, it might be better to switch to vewiing his test shots done with a less extreme camera, such as the 1DsIII that he's used with most lenses).

 

P.S. You mention also carrying a 70-200mm f/2.8L.... though not which one. Here again, you could save some size and weight, if you could live with a smaller aperture version. The 70-200mm f/4L... both the non-IS and IS version...  are about 2/3 the size and weight of the f/2.8s.... and have excellent (new f/4 IS "II" version coming soon... looks very good, but remains to be seen).

 

I use a 70-200mm a lot.... enough so that I bought an f/4 IS version as backup for my f/2.8 IS version. Now I actually find myself grabbing and using the f/4 version more often! In fact, if size/weight are your biggest concern now, there's greater difference, more potential for some reduction with the 70-200s, than with tthe 24-70s or 24-105s.

“ ... There really isn't a lot of difference in IQ between the original 24-105 and the II. Most of the "upgrade" to the newer lens was much improved IS and possibly more durable build (we'll have to see, over time, if it holds up better than the original). ...”

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I would not be surprised if the newer lens’ firmware can be updated by the newer bodies.

 

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"Enjoying photography since 1972."

"...you will consistently see more chromatic aberration..."

 

I don't generally agree with that in any real use of a lens like the f4 zoom. However, even if so any current post editor will have no trouble removing it.  I never see it as I have a preset in LR upon import that does lens correction.  A simple task everybody should get into the habit of doing.

EB
EOS 1D, EOS 1D MK IIn, EOS 1D MK III, EOS 1Ds MK III, EOS 1D MK IV and EOS 1DX and many lenses.
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