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Re: Unless there’s motion, don’t use AI SERVO.

 


You might also benefit from assigning either the AF ON button, or the DOF Preview button to temporarily switch from AIServo to OneShot.


That's where I was leaning....  The DOF button is placed perfectly (sorry  ) - and that's the one I use to flip back and forth between focus points. 

 

I'll elaborate later - I just had 6 Medial Branch Block injections, and it's time for a nap...

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Re: Unless there’s motion, don’t use AI SERVO.

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"That's where I was leaning....  The DOF button is placed perfectly (sorry  ) - and that's the one I use to flip back and forth between focus points. 

 

I'll elaborate later - I just had 6 Medial Branch Block injections, and it's time for a nap..."

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The 6D has the button in a difficult spot to press.  Here is the 7D Mark II DOF button location.

 

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Here is the 6D DOF button location.

 

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Notice the difference?  The arrows are showing you the direction the button should be pushed.  Not only is the button half the size, it's further away on the 6D.  You have to push it with tip of your finger as you straighten it out, but only if you could reach it.  

 

This button is inaccessible for handheld shooting, which makes it pretty useless.

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Re: Unless there’s motion, don’t use AI SERVO.

"Why?  Frames Per Second processing speed?  File size?  I'm pretty sure speeds fits in here somewhere."

 

And you would be correct.  I use my 1D Mk IV for sports which I freely admit I don't do often.  I just do it when I get asked to be the photographer or to help the real photographer.

Anyway a Mk IV shoots 10 fps. Its buffer can hold 28 full res RAW files. That's not 3 seconds to full.  On jpg it will shoot 125 large jpg or so before filling the buffer.  Just holding down the shutter button.  It can fire and write 10 large jpg in a second. No delay at all.  It is nothing to say but the Mk IV is fast. It is very fast and if you have never used one you don't realize how fast it is.

In RAW it takes 6 or 7 seconds to fire 10 and write to a fast card.

 

The Mk IV shoots way faster than it or any camera can focus.  So the setting I recommended of at least 1/500 and manual mode are critical if you want this kind of speed. 1/640+ is better.

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Re: Unless there’s motion, don’t use AI SERVO.

Well, switching from One Shot to AI Servo "in-flight" worked.  It resulted in noticeably sharper pics both before movement starts and after.  I find it curious that "AI Focus" isn't even mentioned in the "7D MKII AF Guide". 

 

I re-assigned the "*" button to switch the mode to One Shot when pressed, then AI Servo when released.  I would really like someone from Canon to explain why that is recommended while AI Focus (which is supposed to do the same thing) isn't even mentioned.  I still use the DOF button to switch between wherever I've positioned the focus spot(s) and the centered positions.

 

I also used default Case #2, and the 8-point AF Point ExpansionSmiley Frustratedurround - (I know Mr. Biggs likes the single, center point, but the AF Guide specifically recommends against it in favor of the 4 or 8-point surround.)

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"... but the AF Guide specifically recommends against it in favor of the 4 or 8-point surround"

 

All the pros I know or have met use just the center point.  Maybe they don't or didn't read the manual?

I can't stress enough the advantage of pre-focus.  MF not AF !  Do that as much as you can.  Also one thing I forgot to mention is go vertical.  Don't forget you can turn the camera when it is best.

 

But pre-focus and anticipating the shot is a big plus.  It is better to be proactive rather than reactive.

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Re: Unless there’s motion, don’t use AI SERVO.

AI Focus isn't really a mode. It's a camera setting that will select One Shot or AI Servo based on whether it detects motion of not. There can be a delay.
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Re: Unless there’s motion, don’t use AI SERVO.

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I also used default Case #2, and the 8-point AF Point ExpansionSmiley Frustratedurround - (I know Mr. Biggs likes the single, center point, but the AF Guide specifically recommends against it in favor of the 4 or 8-point surround.)


Each generation of camera specific features get better and more reliable. So what someone is comfortable recommending is based on their experience with their cameras. There are people who recommend always shooting in full manual exposure, because early versions of Av or Tv, didn't work as well as they do today. There are people who recommend only using spot or center weighted metering because earlier versions of evaluative metering did work as well as current ones do.

 

The same goes for the AF system on the 7D Mk II, it is a step up from older AF systems. It uses its 150,000 point IR metering sensor to enhance its AF. When you take into account it is a crop sensor camera, that is around twice the metering points of cameras like the 5D Mk III, and a feature the 1D Mk IV doesn't really have. 

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Re: Unless there’s motion, don’t use AI SERVO.

Based upon DPP's display of the "points in focus", I need to adjust the "AF point auto switching"  to be more sensitive, because it doesn't change.  If I was as good as Mr. Biggs is, I'd also use the single center focus point, but I know I can't keep a single point on the subject as he runs the bases, let alone dodging the tacklers as he crosses the yard markers.  But if DPP is correct, the AF point isn't changing.

 

Regarding full manual, I use mostly Av when I know there's enough light to keep my shutter faster than 1/1000.  I just lock on the desired aperture, set the minimum shutter speed and maximum ISO and let the camera figure it out.

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"Regarding full manual, I use mostly Av when I know there's enough light to keep my shutter faster than 1/1000.  I just lock on the desired aperture, set the minimum shutter speed and maximum ISO and let the camera figure it out."

 

No, I would disagree with using a "maximum ISO" setting.  Always use the lowest ISO value that circumstances will allow.  Yes, you generally want to use the fastest shutter speed that circumstances will allow.  You may also want to use the widest aperture that your lens will allow, but be cognizant of shooting distance to your subject and depth of field at longer focal lengths. 

 

In my short experience with shooting baseball [Little League games]  I have found that focal lengths ranging from 50-300mm, on a full frame, has been almost ideal for photographing most infield action, with 70-200mm almost being the ideal lens. I have been photographing much of the action around f/5.6-6.3, which gives me good DOF around the infield, with either a Canon EF 100-400mm, or a Sigma 150-600mm.  I have found that I like the range of the 100-400mm better for baseball.  I find that most of my shots are ranging from 200-300mm.

 

I have been mostly shooting with just the center point active, One Shot mode, on a 6D, wihch lacks the tracking AF assist points of a 7DmkII.  I pre-focus to where I think the action will be forthcoming, and wait it out.  You should be able to have better success tracking subjects with a 7DmkII tracking using AI Servo than I would with a 6D.  I have also found that shooting from a tripod gives me much sharper photos, which allows me to turn off Image Stabilization so that I can refocus on a new subject, or distance, faster.

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Sorry, I didn't speak clearly - when I say maximum ISO, I mean I set the value that I do not want the camera to exceed when on AUTO (usually 1600 for outdoor sports), but like yesterday, it rarely goes above 200.

 

While I do use f/2.8 a lot, and f/4 when I put on the 1.4x extender, I think I'll play with f/5 - 5.6 when I'm framing just the batter.  I'd like to get the catcher a bit sharper.  Although my app for DOF says at 110 ft, f/2.8, and 200mm, that the DOF is 9.3 ft.  Doesn't that mean that if the catcher's plane is less than 9 ft. from the plane of the batter, focusing on the batter should result in the catcher being in-focus?

 

  I don't pre-focus because I rarely plan the shot.  I can usually get 2-3 shots of the batter with the ball in the frame, and once I get a pitcher's timing down, I can get the ball within an inch or two of the bat - but I'm ripping at 10 fps, too.  Same thing with tags, slides, and fielding - I'm not good enough to plan, pre-focus, and shoot.  That's why focus tracking is important to me.

 

 

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