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EOS 5D Mark IV White Balance Kelvin Number for Custom WB

markvdb
Apprentice

I am processing c-log videos in DaVinci Resolve, and it needs to know what White Balance I had set in my Canon 5D Mark IV.

The problem is, since i used custom white balance (using photo of grey card), I do not know what white balance number the canon set itself to.

I searched for the WB Kelvin number in the metadata of a photo shot with custom WB, but all i can find it "White Balance Mode:Custom". I can not find the actual Kelvin number of the white balance the camera was using.

Does anyone know how to find out the white balance the camera selected when set to custom WB mode?

Manny thanks

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I only see it WhiteBalanceAsShot for still photos and not for video. I only use exiftool on a command line on macOS and Linux. I no longer use Windows since I no longer have an employer to require Windows.

I seldom do video.

 

exiftool -s -G0:2 -ColorTempAsShot -WB_RGGBLevelsAsShot /Volumes/jrm/photos/2024Jun30/IMG_055*.CR3 
======== /Volumes/jrm/photos/2024Jun30/IMG_0550.CR3 
[MakerNotes:Camera] ColorTempAsShot : 4803 
[MakerNotes:Camera] WB_RGGBLevelsAsShot : 1833 1024 1024 1971 
======== /Volumes/jrm/photos/2024Jun30/IMG_0551.CR3 
[MakerNotes:Camera] ColorTempAsShot : 4353 
[MakerNotes:Camera] WB_RGGBLevelsAsShot : 1872 1024 1024 2325 
======== /Volumes/jrm/photos/2024Jun30/IMG_0552.CR3 
[MakerNotes:Camera] ColorTempAsShot : 4382 
[MakerNotes:Camera] WB_RGGBLevelsAsShot : 1886 1024 1024 2325 
======== /Volumes/jrm/photos/2024Jun30/IMG_0553.CR3 
[MakerNotes:Camera] ColorTempAsShot : 4344 
[MakerNotes:Camera] WB_RGGBLevelsAsShot : 1879 1024 1024 2346 
======== /Volumes/jrm/photos/2024Jun30/IMG_0554.CR3 
[MakerNotes:Camera] ColorTempAsShot : 3832 
[MakerNotes:Camera] WB_RGGBLevelsAsShot : 1680 1024 1024 2583 
======== /Volumes/jrm/photos/2024Jun30/IMG_0555.CR3 
[MakerNotes:Camera] ColorTempAsShot : 3839 
[MakerNotes:Camera] WB_RGGBLevelsAsShot : 1672 1024 1024 2558 
======== /Volumes/jrm/photos/2024Jun30/IMG_0556.CR3 
[MakerNotes:Camera] ColorTempAsShot : 4286 
[MakerNotes:Camera] WB_RGGBLevelsAsShot : 1722 1024 1024 2158 
======== /Volumes/jrm/photos/2024Jun30/IMG_0557.CR3 
[MakerNotes:Camera] ColorTempAsShot : 4507 
[MakerNotes:Camera] WB_RGGBLevelsAsShot : 1872 1024 1024 2212 
======== /Volumes/jrm/photos/2024Jun30/IMG_0558.CR3 
[MakerNotes:Camera] ColorTempAsShot : 4392 
[MakerNotes:Camera] WB_RGGBLevelsAsShot : 1866 1024 1024 2284 
======== /Volumes/jrm/photos/2024Jun30/IMG_0559.CR3 
[MakerNotes:Camera] ColorTempAsShot : 4642 
[MakerNotes:Camera] WB_RGGBLevelsAsShot : 1942 1024 1024 2203 
10 image files read

exiftool -s -G0:2 -"*colortemp*" -"*balance*" IMG_0445.MP4 
[MakerNotes:Image] ColorTemperature             : 5200
[MakerNotes:Image] WhiteBalance                 : Auto
[MakerNotes:Image] WhiteBalanceRed              : 0
[MakerNotes:Image] WhiteBalanceBlue             : 0
[QuickTime:Audio] Balance                       : 0

 

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johnrmoyer
Whiz
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@markvdb wrote:

I am processing c-log videos in DaVinci Resolve, and it needs to know what White Balance I had set in my Canon 5D Mark IV.

The problem is, since i used custom white balance (using photo of grey card), I do not know what white balance number the canon set itself to.

I searched for the WB Kelvin number in the metadata of a photo shot with custom WB, but all i can find it "White Balance Mode:Custom". I can not find the actual Kelvin number of the white balance the camera was using.

Does anyone know how to find out the white balance the camera selected when set to custom WB mode?

Manny thanks

Mark


The camera records a number that exiftool interprets as "ColorTempAsShot" for still images, but maybe not for video. Is that what you are looking for? I have never used DaVinci Resolve software. Maybe one could make a still photo with the same white balance?

exiftool -s -G0:2 -ColorTempAsShot *.CR3 
======== IMG_0552.CR3
[MakerNotes:Camera] ColorTempAsShot             : 4382
======== IMG_0553.CR3
[MakerNotes:Camera] ColorTempAsShot             : 4344
======== IMG_0554.CR3
[MakerNotes:Camera] ColorTempAsShot             : 3832
========IMG_0555.CR3
[MakerNotes:Camera] ColorTempAsShot             : 3839
======== IMG_0556.CR3
[MakerNotes:Camera] ColorTempAsShot             : 4286
======== IMG_0557.CR3
[MakerNotes:Camera] ColorTempAsShot             : 4507

Exiftool is at: https://exiftool.org/ 

The camera also records RGGB values for some settings that were not used. For example, "daylight".

 

Hi John

Thanks for your quick reply and helpful suggestion. I installed exittool, and found a tag on a test image called "ColorTemperature - CanonPr (Exif)" which was set to 5600. I dont think this is the number for the "Custom WB", I believe it is the manually set number. I dont see anything called 

ColorTempAsShot

Can I ask how you got those numbers?

Screen Shot 2024-07-01 at 10.50.49 pm.png

I only see it WhiteBalanceAsShot for still photos and not for video. I only use exiftool on a command line on macOS and Linux. I no longer use Windows since I no longer have an employer to require Windows.

I seldom do video.

 

exiftool -s -G0:2 -ColorTempAsShot -WB_RGGBLevelsAsShot /Volumes/jrm/photos/2024Jun30/IMG_055*.CR3 
======== /Volumes/jrm/photos/2024Jun30/IMG_0550.CR3 
[MakerNotes:Camera] ColorTempAsShot : 4803 
[MakerNotes:Camera] WB_RGGBLevelsAsShot : 1833 1024 1024 1971 
======== /Volumes/jrm/photos/2024Jun30/IMG_0551.CR3 
[MakerNotes:Camera] ColorTempAsShot : 4353 
[MakerNotes:Camera] WB_RGGBLevelsAsShot : 1872 1024 1024 2325 
======== /Volumes/jrm/photos/2024Jun30/IMG_0552.CR3 
[MakerNotes:Camera] ColorTempAsShot : 4382 
[MakerNotes:Camera] WB_RGGBLevelsAsShot : 1886 1024 1024 2325 
======== /Volumes/jrm/photos/2024Jun30/IMG_0553.CR3 
[MakerNotes:Camera] ColorTempAsShot : 4344 
[MakerNotes:Camera] WB_RGGBLevelsAsShot : 1879 1024 1024 2346 
======== /Volumes/jrm/photos/2024Jun30/IMG_0554.CR3 
[MakerNotes:Camera] ColorTempAsShot : 3832 
[MakerNotes:Camera] WB_RGGBLevelsAsShot : 1680 1024 1024 2583 
======== /Volumes/jrm/photos/2024Jun30/IMG_0555.CR3 
[MakerNotes:Camera] ColorTempAsShot : 3839 
[MakerNotes:Camera] WB_RGGBLevelsAsShot : 1672 1024 1024 2558 
======== /Volumes/jrm/photos/2024Jun30/IMG_0556.CR3 
[MakerNotes:Camera] ColorTempAsShot : 4286 
[MakerNotes:Camera] WB_RGGBLevelsAsShot : 1722 1024 1024 2158 
======== /Volumes/jrm/photos/2024Jun30/IMG_0557.CR3 
[MakerNotes:Camera] ColorTempAsShot : 4507 
[MakerNotes:Camera] WB_RGGBLevelsAsShot : 1872 1024 1024 2212 
======== /Volumes/jrm/photos/2024Jun30/IMG_0558.CR3 
[MakerNotes:Camera] ColorTempAsShot : 4392 
[MakerNotes:Camera] WB_RGGBLevelsAsShot : 1866 1024 1024 2284 
======== /Volumes/jrm/photos/2024Jun30/IMG_0559.CR3 
[MakerNotes:Camera] ColorTempAsShot : 4642 
[MakerNotes:Camera] WB_RGGBLevelsAsShot : 1942 1024 1024 2203 
10 image files read

exiftool -s -G0:2 -"*colortemp*" -"*balance*" IMG_0445.MP4 
[MakerNotes:Image] ColorTemperature             : 5200
[MakerNotes:Image] WhiteBalance                 : Auto
[MakerNotes:Image] WhiteBalanceRed              : 0
[MakerNotes:Image] WhiteBalanceBlue             : 0
[QuickTime:Audio] Balance                       : 0

 

Thanks so much John - I got this working using your solution. Much apprecited.

I wish Canon would simply display the White Balance Kelvin number directly on the camera screen for custom WB.

megnani
Apprentice

White balance (WB) is crucial in photography and videography to ensure colors are rendered accurately under different lighting conditions. The Kelvin (K) scale is used to measure color temperature, which affects white balance. Here’s a detailed discussion on using the Kelvin number for custom white balance:

### Understanding Color Temperature

Color temperature describes the spectrum of light emitted by a light source. It is measured in Kelvin (K) and affects the color cast in an image.

- **Lower Kelvin Numbers (1000K - 4000K)**: These represent warm light, such as candlelight or tungsten bulbs, which have a yellow to red hue.
- **Mid-Range Kelvin Numbers (4000K - 5500K)**: These represent neutral or natural daylight, which is typically balanced and without a color cast.
- **Higher Kelvin Numbers (5500K - 10000K)**: These represent cool light, such as overcast skies or shade, which have a blue hue.

### Setting Custom White Balance Using Kelvin Numbers

1. **Manual Adjustment**:
- Most modern cameras allow you to manually set the white balance by entering a specific Kelvin number. This manual adjustment helps to compensate for different lighting conditions.

2. **Kelvin Numbers and Typical Lighting Conditions**:
- **1000K - 2000K**: Candlelight
- **2500K - 3500K**: Tungsten light (incandescent light bulbs)
- **4000K - 5000K**: Fluorescent light
- **5000K - 5500K**: Daylight (midday)
- **5500K - 6500K**: Flash
- **6500K - 7500K**: Overcast skies
- **7500K - 10000K**: Shade or heavily overcast skies

3. **Practical Application**:
- **Warm Light Adjustment**: If shooting under tungsten light (about 3200K), set your white balance to a lower Kelvin number (around 3200K) to neutralize the yellow/orange cast.
- **Cool Light Adjustment**: If shooting under overcast skies (around 7000K), set your white balance to a higher Kelvin number (around 7000K) to neutralize the blue cast.

4. **Custom White Balance**:
- **In-Camera Setting**: Many cameras offer a “Custom WB” setting where you can manually input the Kelvin number. This is particularly useful in mixed lighting conditions or when standard presets do not achieve the desired result.
- **Using Gray Card**: A gray card can be used to set a custom white balance. Place the gray card in the same lighting as your subject, take a photo of it, and use this image to set your white balance in-camera. The camera will calculate the correct Kelvin number to neutralize the color cast based on the gray card reference.

5. **Post-Processing**:
- Software like Adobe Lightroom or Photoshop allows you to adjust the white balance using a Kelvin scale during post-processing. This can be helpful if you didn’t capture the image with the correct white balance in-camera.

### Benefits of Using Kelvin for Custom White Balance

- **Precision**: Manually setting the Kelvin number allows for precise control over white balance, ensuring accurate color representation.
- **Consistency**: Custom white balance ensures consistent color across a series of shots taken under the same lighting conditions.
- **Creative Control**: Adjusting the Kelvin number can be used creatively to add warmth or coolness to a scene, enhancing the mood or aesthetic.

### Tips for Using Kelvin Number for Custom WB

- **Experiment**: Different lighting conditions can be challenging, so don’t hesitate to experiment with different Kelvin settings to find the most accurate white balance.
- **Monitor Your Results**: Use your camera’s LCD screen and histogram to check your results. Make sure that the whites appear white and other colors are accurately represented.
- **Save Custom Presets**: If your camera allows, save custom white balance presets for frequently encountered lighting conditions, which can save time during shoots.

By understanding and utilizing the Kelvin number for custom white balance, photographers and videographers can achieve more accurate and pleasing color reproduction, enhancing the overall quality of their work.

Hi Megani. Is this an AI generated generic non-answer to my question?

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