10-04-2023 12:38 AM
What is the best way to capture the highest possible dynamic range in a single frame(not video)on the Canon R6 Mark II? I’m not talking about HDR processing and compositing of multiple images, rather capturing the highest amount of highlight and shadow in a single frame. My guess would have something to do with custom profiles? I realize that the out of camera image may be flat but that is adjustable in post processing. TIA
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10-10-2023 09:36 AM - edited 10-10-2023 10:41 AM
Unlikely that you will capture larger dynamic range with HDR PQ or D+ when you shoot raw. What you get is a different tone curve in some raw converters. For example DPP or Lightroom.
10-10-2023 04:08 PM
if one plans to edit the raw, then there is no reason to enable highlight tone priority nor auto lighting optimizer nor HDR PQ in the camera menus. That can always be done later in the Canon DPP software or maybe in other software. There is also no advantage to enabling Adobe RGB in the camera if one plans to edit the raw file.
Using Av aperture priority will leave the shutter speed and/or the ISO on auto. The camera will choose an exposure which is good when one wishes to document something before it changes, but not good in a studio with controlled lighting. I speculate that enabling those features that I suggest disabling in the previous paragraph will change how the camera chooses exposure.
I suggest that if highlights are most important, use negative exposure compensation and if shadows are most important use positive exposure compensation and adjust brightness, dynamic range, tone curve, and white balance when editing the raw.
10-10-2023 07:20 PM
@Mkiv wrote:After reviewing your input, I have done some testing. I always shoot RAW in Adobe RGB. I also almost always shoot in Aperture Priority while manually adjusting my Exposure Compensation. I have tried HDR PQ with and without D+ and D+2. I am wondering however, if I am always shooting in RAW, are all of these techniques really capturing more dynamic range? It seems that in my type of photography(photojournalism), that I tend to be more concerned with my highlights not blowing out. On looking at my histogram after shooting with HDR PQ, I noticed that there seems to be a visible limit line on the highlights. Therefore, are HDR PQ and D+ or D+2 just a way of preserving my highlight detail? Or is this method only helping my visual perception of the image on the camera back? Once again, because I am always shooting in RAW, does any of this matter? Is the sensor just capturing everything it can by default when shooting RAW and therefore I should just be concerned with highlight preservation?
First, I may not have been clear enough on the specific use of HDR PQ in my comments, so I apologize for that. To be clear, HDR PQ is for displaying on HDR compliant monitors (HDR 10). As Peter mentioned, PQ (Perceptual Quantization) applies a different tone curve which has greater bit depth, 10 bits IIRC, and applies better transition in colors to reduce banding, "It's using the standardized gamma curve called PQ, which is mapped in a way to put more weight on transitions that the human eye is sensitive to and finds pleasing", so using a Raw PQ or HEIF to convert to JPG defeats the purpose as JPG is an 8bit file. Displays may try to emulate HDR with the JPG, but that's it, which is the case for the back camera display and DPP 4 when you don't have an HDR display. If you plan to use HDR PQ, your camera must be set to HDR PQ for the PQ data to be included in the Raw file, so you can not make a PQ HEIF/HIF from a regular Raw CR3 as the PQ data is not there.
Given your type of shooting (low light), I think you are on the right track to figuring it out ("Aperture Priority while manually adjusting my Exposure Compensation"). As to aRGB, If you are shooting Raw, I don't think color space carries much weight in post as it can be changed, so it's for JPG's, your camera LCD, or maybe the initial view in your post editor and thumbnails. I use "Wide Gamut RGB" once I'm in post, but we all have our preferences 🙂 As for the histogram, it's the same on my R5 and R6II in that it cuts off about a third of my entire scale in the highlights. But once I get the HDR PQ files into DPP 4, my histogram expands to 1023.
To repeat: "Once again, because I am always shooting in RAW, does any of this matter? Is the sensor just capturing everything it can by default when shooting RAW and therefore I should just be concerned with highlight preservation?"
That is correct! Unless you are shooting to display your Raw HDR PQ files on an HDR compliant monitor or distributing HEIF to others that also have HDR equipment, it does not matter. Your Raw files are going to have the best dynamic range they can produce. They just won't have the PQ data.
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10-04-2023 11:13 AM
Will try to find some later. I know Canon Explorer of Light Joel Grimes has some videos explaining the zone system. Along with more technical videos on bit depth in images which I feel would be good supplemental info.
10-04-2023 12:48 PM
I found the following video and feel it's put together very nicely to show off four different examples of using the zone system for landscapes. While a film camera was being used, everything would translate to digital:
How To Measure Exposure For Film Photography - The Zone System (Ansel Adams)
Video from Joel Grimes on bit depth in images. Doesn't describe the zone system (I'm thinking I saw that in some of his paid content I purchased years ago), but it speaks to the importance of capturing in higher bit depths. As others already pointed out, that would be in RAW in which case you'll have 14 bits per channel to work with. Versus if you capture in JPEG, you'd only have 8 bits per channel. Joel also describes taking multiple exposures and combining them in post in Photoshop as 32 bits per channel images. That allows the maximum flexibility in editing.
The Secret to High Detailed Photography
Finally, an article from Fstoppers:
How to Use the Ansel Adams Zone System in the Digital World
10-06-2023 03:07 AM
Hello Stephen, thank you for your reply. I commented on FloridaDrafter’s advice above.
10-06-2023 03:05 AM
Hello Ricky, thank you for your reply. I commented on FloridaDrafter’s advice above.
10-04-2023 10:33 AM
This is what Ricky - RS-EOS is referring to:
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10-05-2023 11:11 AM
"... the highest possible dynamic range in a single frame..."
"Raw at ISO 100." "I was going to say RAW and IOS 200"
... with proper light and exposure.
10-10-2023 10:50 AM
Use a very wide aperture lens to capture the most light. Shoot RAW, Low ISO.
10-10-2023 03:43 PM
@Mkiv wrote:What is the best way to capture the highest possible dynamic range in a single frame(not video)on the Canon R6 Mark II? I’m not talking about HDR processing and compositing of multiple images, rather capturing the highest amount of highlight and shadow in a single frame. My guess would have something to do with custom profiles? I realize that the out of camera image may be flat but that is adjustable in post processing. TIA
I hope some of this might be helpful.
I am not certain so check the manual, but I expect that your camera will capture 12 bit data if using electronic shutter and 14 bit if using electronic first curtain or mechanical shutter. Under some circumstances, those extra two bits may be used to extend the dynamic range. If the eventual display is sRGB eight bit per channel JPEG, then either bits will be thrown away or the tone curve will be compressed in at least some part of the brightness range. If the eventual display is a print, then use a color space and dynamic range that works well on that particular printer. On a screen on the internet, it is usually sRGB that works best.
As others have said, the largest dynamic range is usually at ISO 100, but maybe at ISO 200 or ISO 400 for some cameras. For the EOS R6 II it seems likely to me that the dynamic range at ISO 200 will be less than at ISO 100 and also less than at ISO 400 because that sensor chip has at least two ways of reading the count for recording in the raw file.
If editing a RAW instead of sharing out of camera JPEG: In DPP, it seems good to me to use the dynamic range adjustment ( https://cam.start.canon/en/S002/manual/html/UG-04_EditImage_0040.html "Adjusting Dynamic Range" ). I increase the dynamic range by moving the "input white point" to the right until no color channel has a value greater than 254 on the brightest pixels that have information I might want to display. The same can be done using curves in DPP or in other sofware.
Curves may be used to preserve detail in the brightness range that contains the most important information whether using DPP or some other raw development software. For some software, it may be useful to over expose by one or two stops and do what the rawtherapee program calls highlight recovery, but that would not work for a Northern Cardinal bird in bright sunlight.
For a Northern Cardinal or a red flower in sunlight, I use exposure compensation of -2/3 EV to avoid clipping the red channel and if backlit, a positive exposure compensation sacrificing the background. This seems to work better for me than the Auto lighting optimizer. The negative exposure compensation seems to work better for me than the Highlight Tone Priority. I speculate that Auto Lighting Optimizer, Highlight Tone Priority, or Peripheral Illumination Correction enabled in the camera might result in the camera choosing a different exposure than otherwise when any setting is auto, so I disable all three in the camera menus and only apply them later in DPP if desired.
I suggest auto ISO, possibly limiting the range, to take full advantage of the knowledge embedded in the camera software instead of a fixed ISO. I base this on the assumption that getting a photo to document something is more important than getting a perfect photo, but in a studio with controlled lighting ISO 100 is best. In post processing, noise reduction loses detail for very high ISO. Keeping some of the noise might make it look like old fashioned film grain and be pleasing. Down scaling the image followed by unsharp mask makes it look good again by trading resolution for increased image quality (maybe start with 75% of the original size). The noise reduction can also be done using a median filter if the software you use has it and the media is a robust statistic in the presence of noise. The down scaling also helps with motion blur if one had to make the photo in a very dark setting with a slow shutter.
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