DSLR 101 2.0

[ebiggs1]

Maybe you will like these better.  I try to please! 

All with my best of class, 1.3 body the EOS 1D Mk IV.  Birders favorite camera!  I love this camera. 

[jazzman1]

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@ebiggs1 wrote:

The bottom line is.  Nobody, except Nikon, makes pro level cameras and lenses. Nobody.  This is where you, and your 'friends' have gone wrong.  You are trying to buy pro gears and make them fit into your world.  Canon has to make gear for professionals that do the job day in day out for years. A That is what they do.  Plus it has to be top IQ day in and day out for years.

If you want all the glitter and gadgets buy Tamron or Sigma, or stay in the EF-S and prosumer line of Canon stuff.  But don't expect pro level eguipment.

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Biggs, I'm not knocking Canon (not like you're taking it), I like their gear, all my gear is Canon and I intend to buy more Canon.   This was more my take on how I see it, than a putdown.  Could even be seen as pulling their coat if they see this post.as a warning.   I See it as customer feed back, it 's fair and impartial I think.  I was a little miffed they did'nt include any instructions with my lens ring mount, even thought the ring mount cost too much...but I still bought it did'nt I????.   I just did'nt think that was a class act from a top of the line Co.   But hey it is what it is and I'm not going to stop buying Canon gear.   I even said Canon may know what they're doing and their stratagy may keep working for them.  I just told you what the word was on the street among average consumers I've talked to..   Heck, if I was them (Canon) and was making the money they do, I probably would do the same thing.  I am disappointed sometimes from their sales stratagy and pricing, but yeah, right now, they're top dog no doubt about it.   I agree with you that they make the best gear, good quality Pro gear.   I don't know about Nikon I've never owned any of their gear, I've always liked Canon user's process better.  Never owned any Tamron or Sigma gear you know that.   You'll get no argument from me about the quality of Canon gear, I agree with what you've said.  but that don't mean I'm happy with everything they do.

Sorry you're gone for the day, you should'nt take stuff so serious, nor personal, I don't.   You've said all kinds of negative stuff to, and about me, from my camera skills, to not knowing what I don't know, and I never got bent outta shape.   I take it with a grain of salt, sometimes with a smile.   I don't take it personal, and believe you have the right to your opinion, even if sometimes I don't agree with you.    Take care my friend, no offense meant with anything I said.. Hope you enjoy the rest of the day.

[jazzman1]

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@ebiggs1 wrote:

"So 1 mm is a little less than a yard, ok.  Thanks."

"I know it's "MM", I wondered why you used "meter "

You do?  It didn't appear like it.  I am through for the day.  You have sifficiently fired my brain, again. 

Biggs I never used that term, you did.  If you say I did, show me my post. where i said that  If you're correct I most certainly will apologise.  Take care my friend 

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[ebiggs1]

"So 1 mm is a little less than a yard, ok.  Thanks."

I guess it is because I never ever heard anyone say, "So 1 mm is a little less than a yard,"  You don't  think somebody would conclude you meant meter?  Because there would be 914 mm in a yard!

Now I ain't no mathematician but even I would not cal that a little less.  Do you?  I guess you do.

[ebiggs1]

"Biggs, I'm not knocking Canon (not like you're taking it)"

Yes you are!  There is no other possible conclusion.  And you do not know of what you speak.  Canon does not charge whatever they want to because they can.  They charge what it costs to produce the product at the level it needs to be.  That is not cheap.

The only real competior to Canon is Nikon.  Do you think their pro stuff is cheap?  If you do, you are wrong again.  It is not. Some similar lenses costing even more. Example;

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 70-200mm f/2.8G ED VR II Lens is $2396.95

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II USM Lens is $2099.00

I could go on but I hope you get the idea.

So, I guess Nikon is shafting its customers, too!  Even more than Canon.

[jazzman1]

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@ebiggs1 wrote:

"So 1 mm is a little less than a yard, ok.  Thanks."

I guess it is because I never ever heard anyone say, "So 1 mm is a little less than a yard,"  You don't  think somebody would conclude you meant meter?  Because there would be 914 mm in a yard!

Now I ain't no mathematician but even I would not cal that a little less.  Do you?  I guess you do.

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Sorry Biggs, but I did'nt even think of how I said, I just spoke  the way the words came to me.  Is there a more proper way to phase that particular question about MM????    To be honest, I don't even understand why were having this conversation.  Biggs math was my worst subject.  But this sounds carzy to me.  If 1 yd = 914 mm, how can a range of 300 mm with my lens be less than 1/3 yd.  That's how I'm reading this, I know I have to have it wrong..  I asked the question because I cannot judge distance in mm, I only think in yd.  But this here you're saying is no help.  Not your fault, you're Ok, I just don't understand.   I have always wondered what in ft. or yd. any particular range in mm I was shooting with my lens.  I do notice some lens have a ft. gauge, both my L's do, but I have not yet learned how to use it.  In many area's Obiwan, I'm most certainly a rookie, and you have to see me that way.   Don't even take for granted that I know the most simplest of things.  I may know some things...but I also may not.

BTW....I don't even know what a "meter" is????   Never heard that measurement.

[ebiggs1]

I have no idea nor do I understand what you are talking about????????????????????????

"how can a range of 300 mm with my lens be less than 1/3 yd.

Because a mm is tiny!

It is time to let this thread go.  It is a little long in the tooth.  Start a new one when you have a specific question and ask it as clearly and succinct as possibile.

I am beginning to think you don't read my entire posts.  Either that or you do not comprehend what I am saying.  Maybe some others can throw some better info on the subject.

[jazzman1]

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@ebiggs1 wrote:

"Biggs, I'm not knocking Canon (not like you're taking it)"

Yes you are!  There is no other possible conclusion.  

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Ok Obiwan I'm going to try this again.  I guess techically, I have to say you're right, but that's not how you should look at it., as a knock on their products.    My issue is not about the gear, or the quality of the gear.   it's about customer service and customer satisfaction.  Canon is not the only Co who do stuff that tick me off, and it's usually tthe ones who are on top and make the best products that do stuff like this.   This is about what I think about how customers are treated sometimes.   I'm like you now, I don't know anything else to say to explain myself here.   I paid appox $160.00 just for a lens ring mount, and they were'nt considerate enough to send instructions.  The ring mount was the only thing in the box.   Canon has never done that before with anyother products I've bought......NONE...Na Da.   There's always instructions, warranty card, and other literature.  That really miffed me off.  I could have gotton another brand ring mount for appox $40.00.  But as Bob said, and what you're saying now....I went with Canon cause I believe it was a better quality product, so i decided to eat the cost.  Now what does that tell you about what I think of Canon products???     In my thinking, if another brand can product that ring at 1/4 the cost......why the heck Canon cannot give instructions and warranty card, etc. in the box.  Had they done that, we probably would'nt be having this conversation, or yesterdays conversation.  I had to turn to Bob and you to explain how to use it.   This is not a class act my friend, in anyone's book.  If you still don't understand, fine...let's move on.

[jazzman1]

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@ebiggs1 wrote:

I have no idea nor do I understand what you are talking about????????????????????????

"how can a range of 300 mm with my lens be less than 1/3 yd.

I am beginning to think you don't read my entire posts.  Either that or you do not comprehend what I am saying.  Maybe some others can throw some better info on the subject.

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I read your posts, sometimes 2 or 3 times.  I don't always understand what you're telling me, like with this "mm" stuff.   I think part or most of the problem is this process we're using on this site.   Nothing like being in a classroom in person.  Nothing like having direct contact with pupli and teacher.  You have to account for that.   It's hard to sometimes convey exactly what you mean, and how you mean it here, or other forms of "email." in a teaching learning situation.   Not even as good as the phone, or skype, or any number of other avenues of conversation.   So we both have to make the ajustment if we are to continue this.

[ebiggs1]

"In my thinking, if another brand can product that ring at 1/4 the cost......why the heck Canon cannot give instructions and warranty card, etc. in the box."

Maybe it is because the other brand is worth 1/4 of the quality.  I have seen them break and drop an expensive lens on the ground because soembody else erroneously thought like you.  You still can't seem to make the distinction between pro level and consummer level gear.  Apples to oranges.

On the fact there was no paperwork, a tripod ring mount is not rocket science.  Again the people it is aimed at does not require instructions on how to use it.  There is no warranty.

I really believe you would be far happier with the prosummer line of gear.  Maybe you should start shopping there.  Chances are it will satisfy all your requirements.  Plus make you much more happy.

Again,

"It is time to let this thread go.  It is a little long in the tooth.  Start a new one when you have a specific question and ask it as clearly and succinct as possibile."

[jazzman1]

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@ebiggs1 wrote:

I really believe you would be far happier with the prosummer line of gear.  Maybe you should start shopping there.  Chances are it will satisfy all your requirements.  Plus make you much more happy.

Again,

"It is time to let this thread go.  It is a little long in the tooth.  Start a new one when you have a specific question and ask it as clearly and succinct as possibile."

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Far as the gear I should buy, I can see where you're coming from and you could be right.  The problem is after owning 2 L lens, I may not be satisfied with the IQ of cheaper lens.  When I got my 24-105 I was elated at the improvement in the quality of my pics.  It's always hard to accept, or be Ok, when stepping down  in quality of any product you use for your favorite enjoyment.  I've experienced that with many other products, audio gear, Pc's, etc..  Canon L lens sets a new stardard in lens for me.   I think it would be hard to settle for a lens with less IQ and quality.  But hey, I don't even know why you're going here, my issue is not about the products.

I'll try and make a new topic post.