DSLR 101 2.0

[ebiggs1]

Maybe you will like these better.  I try to please! 

All with my best of class, 1.3 body the EOS 1D Mk IV.  Birders favorite camera!  I love this camera. 

[jazzman1]

If you think that's me second-guessing you, you'd be wrong. You're a more impulsive purchaser than I am, I suppose, but that doesn't mean that what you're doing is wrong. What you should guard against, IMO, is letting other people make decisions for you. And especially against encouraging them to do so

After 2nd look at this reply I thought I should add:

Thanks for your concern, and I really appreciate your imput.  But no, no one influenced anything I did.  Believe me my choice was my idea.   But I can see how you could think that, I really do.  I'm captain of my ship and if I sink, it's no one's fault but my own.  But I don't forsee that happening, like Obiwan, I'm having the time of my life with my photography.  My successful Cancer Surgery has given me a new lease on life and a whole new outlook              The only hesitation I have with LR is I will only be able to install it on one Pc.  That will be a drag.  While my main editing Pc is a desktop upstairs, with the new 1080P HD monitor, I also use my 720P HD laptop downstairs even more.  I will hate to have to go upstairs every time I upload and edit my pics.  With DPP on all my Pc's I can edit on any of 5 Pc's. 

 Oh, silly me,  just thought, I will still have DPP installed along with LR ,and I can still use all my Pc's to upload and edit.   

[ebiggs1]

One thing for certain, you absolutely have the ability to confuse me.  Like for an instance, I buy LR and a nice monitor. But put them on a machine that I don't use very often.  But I do have DPP on all my machines.  Wait, lets see, the good one is upstairs where I don't want to go just to see my photos.  Its not convenient.  Does this look like, sound like, an equation that equals success to you?  Really?

I am still not convinced LR will improve your product or even benefit you.

First Adobe allows two installs.  Exactly for people that have a laptop and a desktop.  Plus if you bought LR6, you can put it on any number of mobile devices.  (I know you don't like them but you do like other high tech gear???)

Second you are going to have to stop dancing around the Maypole and one; put it on a machine you can actually can put to  reasonable successful use, and two; study and learn how to use it.  It will not fall into your lap. You can count on that.

Great, no wait not even great, even decent photos are 1/2 camera/lens, 1/2 you and 1/2 post.  Not necessarily in that order.

[jazzman1]

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@ebiggs1 wrote:

One thing for certain, you absolutely have the ability to confuse me.

 Sorry about that, I really am, not trying to do that.  I will try to do better from here out.  I sure don't want you confused about anything I say or do.  But please stop being so serious, lighten up, I'm following your lead.   Listening to you, someone could think I do nothing right.  

Like for an instance, I buy LR and a nice monitor. But put them on a machine that I don't use very often.  But I do have DPP on all my machines.  Wait, lets see, the good one is upstairs where I don't want to go just to see my photos.  Its not convenient.  Does this look like, sound like, an equation that equals success to you?  Really?

Obiwan you are much too serious.  I don't see anything wrong with what I said.  I'm not sure what your issue is, but nothing I said is going to impede my developement in Photography.  Yes, my editing and work Pc  (desktop) is upstairs and that's where I'll go for serious work, especially if that's the only Pc I will have LR installed on.  But I also have 2 Pc's (laptops) downstairs and when conventient and relevant, yes I will an also use both, cause they're more convenient.  Now if I ever complain about having to go upstairs when that's the best place to go for my pic work, and I don't go up there for nonsense reasons....then you can complain.  I'm beginning to think you either have serious issues, or just issues with me, not sure which.   Lighten up my friend.  You have to learn to allow everyone to be themselves.

I am still not convinced LR will improve your product or even benefit you.

Ok, fair enough, we'll have to see.

First Adobe allows two installs.  Exactly for people that have a laptop and a desktop.  Plus if you bought LR6, I did get LR 6   you can put it on any number of mobile devices.  (I know you don't like them but you do like other high tech gear???)

Second you are going to have to stop dancing around the Maypole and one; put it on a machine you can actually can put to  reasonable successful use, and two; study and learn how to use it.  It will not fall into your lap. You can count on that.  I know I got my work cut out for me in learning LR 6.  But none of this Photography stuff is coming easy for me.   I have alot to learn and I know I'm a slow learner.

Great, no wait not even great, even decent photos are 1/2 camera/lens, 1/2 you and 1/2 post.  Not necessarily in that order.

I believe you Obiwan, do you think I doubt you??????????????????????

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[ebiggs1]

"Photography stuff is coming easy for me."

On this, we agree.    On the DPP issue, ask Bob from Boston or call Canon.

You must understand, I am willing to share my thoughts about photography.  You must know there are thousands of guys just like me that do it all differently.  They are just as good or just as bad as I am.  The call is subjective.  Maybe you don't progress as fast as I would like to see or even expect but you put unnecessary obstacles in the way.

I don't want to see you spend any more money.  I want you to start concentrating on Lightroom.  At this rate of fiddling with DPP and trying LR at the same time is enough to blow anybodies mind.  Let alone my feeble brain.

My suggestion is, one camera, a few (two or three) lenses and 100% concentration on LR for your editor.  Beyond that I am of no help and probably a hindrence.   That is my plan for you as it would be if you were here in a DSLR 101 class.

[jazzman1]

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@ebiggs1 wrote:

"Photography stuff is coming easy for me."

On this, we agree.    On the DPP issue, ask Bob from Boston or call Canon.   I said this stuff is "not coming easy" for me

You must understand, I am willing to share my thoughts about photography.  You must know there are thousands of guys just like me that do it all differently.  They are just as good or just as bad as I am.  The call is subjective.  Maybe you don't progress as fast as I would like to see or even expect but you put unnecessary obstacles in the way.

This I don't understand.  You told me you would make suggestions, and I could make my own choice to agree or not, that the choice was mine.  You gave me the impression that you let students do, and buy what they want...you said do what works for me.  Then it seems when I do what works for me...you go balistic.  That's what I don't understand.  If I do or buy something you don't agree with,  I'm the only one that will suffer any consequences, not you or anyone else.  If I make a bad choice, which so far I don't think I have, I will suffer the consequences and learn from it.  Then I will tell you...you were right.   I've never heard of a teacher trying to control what his student spends their own money on or buys....even if he thinks it's not a good idea.   I've mentored guys myself and have run into this situation with them a few times.  When it happens, I give a guy my take, then I let him bump his head till he gets tired......if he still wants to do something I advise against.   My idea is to help someone "find or learn" their way in what they want to do or get better with, not try to control them, run their life, or physically hold them back from jumping off a roof.  I'm only a guide and mentor to them and I let people make their own choices, whether good ones or bad.  They'll either learn from their mistakes, or continue to committ insanity, making the same mistakes over and over...expecting different results.   Guess we see teaching and mentoring different on this.

I don't want to see you spend any more money. Perfect example of what I mean.   Why not????   I want you to start concentrating on Lightroom.  At this rate of fiddling with DPP and trying LR at the same time is enough to blow anybodies mind.  It'll be a challenge I know     Let alone my feeble brain.

My suggestion is, one camera, a few (two or three) lenses and 100% concentration on LR for your editor.  Beyond that I am of no help and probably a hindrence.   That is my plan for you as it would be if you were here in a DSLR 101 class.  Do you mean you want me to only use 2 or 3 lens for now????   I already have 6 lens.  I will work with LR.

I'm more than willing to do the work and learn, but you have to let me learn at my own pace.  You've taught me alot already whether you know it or not.  When I 1st met you I did'nt know one lens from another (EF-S, EF, L), never had edited any pics, only had used auto with my camera, never used RAW.  I never heard of the rule of 1/3's, did'nt know a crop body from FF or about the 1.6X with a crop body.  Did'nt know what constituted a good lens from a bad one, did'nt know how to change shutter speed and aperture, or what the heck good IQ was.   I can go on and on, the things I've learned, but you seem to not have noticed.  I've learned much from You and Bob, as well as other peeps on this site.   And I'm happy with everything I've bought, have no regrets.....except the monitor.  That's the only thing I've bought  that I really did'nt want...

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[ebiggs1]

Any teacher that doesn't push there kids or students to the right course isn't worth having.  If I let the kids in the beginning music class do as your last post indicates you want, no one would learn to play music.  It is the same with photography.  You start with easy basic stuff and progress.  Hopefully.  When things begin to stray you pull them back to the course at hand.  If you took a course for a grade in the local comminity college, do you think they would let you wander off topic?  Without trying to get you back?

You have a point, however!.  It may be time to,"...  then I let him bump his head till he gets tired."

[jazzman1]

I agree with what you're saying about direction and teaching.   I'm talking about telling someone what and what not to buy.  Yes, students are expected to follow whatever guidelines are given for any particular course or class.  They must manitain class room standards.   That's not what I'm referring to here.  We're not in a class room here.   I've followed your suggestions and direction, except when it was about buying something I either did'nt want, think I need, or could afford to buy.   And you never mentioned any stardards or guidelines I was to follow.   You said do whatever works for me.   Buying what works for me has nothing to do with folowing photography instructions.   I will learn at the same pace if I have 1 lens or 5.  I will learn at the same pace no matter what I own, except something I need that I don't have.  In fact, having certain gear is sometimes essenial, to understanding some things in photography.  We must have our tools for practical understanding of the things we have to learn.    Hands on so to speak.   As long as I have the tools I need to learn what I need to know, whatever other purchases I make should not be a issue here.

You seem to think I have gotton off track by buying some of the gear I've bought.   Please tell me where and when that happened???.   Where have I gone off track???   Don't tell me what I bought that you don't agree with, tell me where I've gone off track in my learning photography???  What is it you seem to think is holding me back???

On letting me bump my head, I think your idea is to withdraw and not help me at all untill I see things your way.  That ok, if that's the way you see it, that's your right.    But that's not something I've ever done or will do.  I still help people while watching them bump their head cause it's not about me.  Sometimes I even chuckle a bit watching them struggle through their pain.  After all it's their head hurting, not mine.  Most learn over time.  Sadly a few do not.

[jazzman1]

f you think that's me second-guessing you, you'd be wrong. You're a more impulsive purchaser than I am, I suppose, but that doesn't mean that what you're doing is wrong. What you should guard against, IMO, is letting other people make decisions for you. And especially against encouraging them to do so

Hey Bob.  Sometimes it takes me awhile thinking over stuff before I get proper perspective on things said to me.   I think I understand more now the points you're making here.  Looking back, I'm beginning to think you're right on your point of view.  Did'nt think so when I 1st read your post, but now I'm starting to see the part I played in what you're saying.  I don't think I have let anyone make alot of decisions I really did'nt want to make.....maybe 1 or 2.   But on the encouragement part, maybe you've hit the nail on the head.  But in doing so I thought I was doing the right thing.   It's always good to give credit and encouragement whenever one feels it's due.  But sometimes we run the risk of creating a difficult situation for us to deal with.   It's another learning situation, and no matter how well our intentions are, we still evaluate the results of our actions and change where needed.

I posted a question to you about DPP, but you never responded, so I deleted it.  I have to assume you had your reasons and you thought not replying was the best course of action.  It's Ok my friend and still hope to pick your brain again soon 

[RobertTheFat]

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@jazzman1 wrote:

I posted a question to you about DPP, but you never responded, so I deleted it.  I have to assume you had your reasons and you thought not replying was the best course of action.  It's Ok my friend and still hope to pick your brain again soon   

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Most likely I just hadn't gotten around to it. Or I thought that since you're switching to Lightroom, the question had become moot. Try me again if you're still interested, and I'll see if I know the answer.