No 3rd party RF Lenses...

[greeneyes_516]

This is a Deal Breaker for me. I am still using DSLR and it will still be a little while before I get a mirrorless camera because of budget. This news is going to make me look into getting Nikon or Sony, if when I go to a mirrorless camera, if I can't get 3rd party RF lenses for Canon. Since the beginning, I have been using Canon. From my first 35mm Film camera, then stepped up to DSLR with the Canon Rebel XTI. Few years later got the Canon 60D and then got the Canon 80D. When I got the 80D, I started to try to get better lenses. So I do have the Canon 24-70 L and got the Tamron 70-210 F4, I also have 2 Sigma lenses. I am on a limited budget. I finally stepped up to Full Frame with the Canon 6D Mark II. I will say that I am happy with all the photos that I have been able to get with my cameras over the years, but I am not a Fan Boy. For a matter of fact, I have recommended a friend to get a Nikon camera, because of what they were wanting to use it for and to stay with in their budget. I have used friends Nikon cameras in the past and was totally happy with those cameras. When people ask for a recommendation on a camera, I just tell them to stay with a Major brand so they have options in the future for expanding their equipment. In the future I will get a mirrorless camera and to start off with, I was going adapt my current lens to the Camera. But will be wanting to get mirrorless lenses when money allows. There is no way I can afford to get any L series Canon RF lenses, so this will be a deal breaker for me. This will make me sell off my Canon equipment, and go with Nikon or Sony, depending on which one has the options that I want at my price. A sad day for Canon.

[onlysublime]

Are you just taking JPEGs?  Because the quality difference between the R5 and an Apple 14 Pro Max is dramatically better on the R5.  If you just want to do quick snapshots, a phone can do better.  But if you're developing the photos, there's no comparison.  What you get out of a smartphone pic is the best that the smartphone will ever do.  As you probably know, when you take a photo, the camera (whether it's a phone or a DSLR or mirrorless) takes in raw information.  That raw information can be exported to a computer to be processed by you.  On a phone, the software will process the image for you.  For common situations, you may love the way the smartphone software processes the image.  

The software in a camera like the Canon R5 or a Sony or a Nikon or whatever will not do much processing to any image.  It's up to you to do the processing.  It doesn't take long to develop images these days with the amazing software out there like Lightroom (and Lightroom has grown exponentially in the past year; it's truly amazing now), Topaz Labs Denoise AI, Gigapixel AI, etc.  Even Luminar is okay (I would rate them amazing if the software was faster).

As for lenses, I have a few old lenses including my 85 mm 1.4 and they perform even better on the R5 (and my RP and my R) than they did on my 6D2 or my 5D4.  Take the RP for example.  It's supposed to be a mirrorless 6D2 with supposedly the same sensor.  But the exact same lens on both cameras will have much sharper images on the RP even though all noise processing and sharpening were turned off on both cameras.

Rokinon and Samyang are the same company.  If you can't find the Samyang model, maybe you can get the Rokinon.

I agree that Canon should allow 3rd party lenses fully.  But I bet they will.  If you go by past Canon history and past Sony history, they usually open up the system a few years after.  But in the meantime, it's not like EF glass became garbage.  In fact, they're still used for Red cameras and millions of Canon cameras out there.

[Oz]

I think you may have miss read one of my previous comments in which I referred to some of my clients using phones.  I shoot primarily RAW stills and video and I have both RF and EF glass.

In regards to lenses, your old lenses don't perform any better than before, It's your new camera body (R5) with updated technology and sensor thats performing better than your previous bodies.  The RF lenses are much sharper than EF lenses and superior in every way, even new third-party lenses by Sigma and Tamron that can be used on other systems are sharper than EF glass.  I don't think EF glass is garbage, they're good for lower megapixel cameras like the R6 and cameras typically used for video with good low light abilities like the ones found in the cine line. In fact, any RED or Canon camera that uses native EF mount is outdated and discontinued so I don't see a good reason for investing in new EF glass.  EF glass is only good for those that are already heavily invested in that mount or if you're buying used.   Based on Canon's history we can speculate they will support third party eventually but we truly don't know because Canon refuses to talk about it.  My work is in both photography and videography as a DP in various projects I constantly get asked about gear and I just can't recommend any new comer to Canon.

[picturethiskc]

you keep referencing click bait posts, but I don't read all that stuff. My observation is that I can't afford the good RF lenses and the cheaper ones are cheap, low quality. I also observe that I am unable to buy third party lenses and I assume what you say is true about the patent infringement, however in the long run it is going to cause a lot of canon shooters to jump ship on canon and go to a brand where they can afford to buy lenses for the camera that they shoot with. while canon may very well be within their rights to block the third party at this time, my dad always said "don't cut off your nose to spite your face." It is past time for canon to a) communicate with their customers and let them know when they can expect something and B) allow third party lenses to be sold. I will only help build their brand going forward.

[Sannystac07]

I just purchased a Tamron 24 to 70mm Gen 2 lens with an EF mount. I own a Mark IV and an EOS R6. When I use my EF to RF adapter with this lens on my R6 there’s a terrible rubbing noise and it’s constantly searching on how near or far to focus. When I put this lens on my Mark IV it works perfectly. What do you think is wrong?

[kvbarkley]

As you can see this is a long thread, You should start your own topic so the answer does not get lost.

[John_SD]

I'm late to the thread, but the OP's concern is legit. Had I known nearly three years ago that Sigma and Tamron would be MIA in terms of developing third-pary RF lenses, I would have made the switch to Nikon, Sony, or Fuji. I no longer recommend Canon mirrorless for this reason. I do not expect Canon to suddenly change course and  open up their RF lenses for third-party manufacture. 

Look, I am just an enthusiast. If I were a pro (a real pro, not a guy who sells a couple of $2 "stock photos" a year), and gear would be a line-item on my spreadsheet before sending it off to the accountant for tax preparation, I could justify the outlandish cost of native RF lenses. But I am not in a situation to be able to write off the cost of gear. No, if one is considering a full-frame mirrorless and availability of third-party lenses is important, Canon is not where you want to be. By third-party I'm referring to Sigma and Tamron. i don't see this situation changing at this point. And yes, I know you can buy an adapter and hang EF lenses off of them. An inferior choice in my view. YMMV. 

[Canonoli]

I shoot birds, and always recommend people ditch them siggy's if they want to see a huge difference in their photography. You get what you pay for, and if logistics were better and chips shortages did not exist maybe Canon would have a lot more lens out to market. Have you ever thought of just selling what you have and moving on? And I had a stable of the best EF lenses, and when I bought the R, I was super impressed the images actually were a touch sharper on the R body. That led me to selling off my ef glass and investing in RF glass and a R5 and an R3. Oh, and by the way I am not a pro, but an avid enthusiast. You comment on it being an inferior choice, make me believe you are a troll.

[John_SD]

Couldn't care less what you think, troll.

[MattieC]

Well you’ve got a rock solid resale market. That’s a luxury itself.

[Jako132]

I couldn’t agree more greeneyes, I have quite a bit of cannon lenses and an R5 which does great but I just don’t see the value in holding onto it when glass options are only available from cannon. Many of my friends have switched to Sony selling around $50,000 worth of their gear as well and I am now doing the same as I can borrow their lenses and they can borrow mine as well. Cannon not allowing either sigma or Tamaron to sell under the rf lens is killing photographers who have invested thousands of dollars into high quality camera bodies and in what they believed to be a company looking out for its photographers. Unfortunately this no longer seems to be the case. I love Cannon but I have to do what makes sense for my brand and my photographers. If Cannon allows 3rd party glass again I’ll likely comeback to cannon but for the foreseeable future that’s not likely to happen. Cannon get your act together I am only one of many photographers you are losing as customers and it’s sad.