11-07-2024 04:05 PM
I'm using a Canon EOS R7. Looking for a good lens to cover indoor basketball. I sit just under and to the side of the basket. Looking to spend no more than $600. Any ideas / advice?
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11-08-2024 08:42 AM
I'm sure others would agree, you will be very pleased with your decision. The R6 Mk II is a great start to the hobby.
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11-07-2024 07:59 PM
What do you think of the R6 Mark II? That would be better, correct?
11-07-2024 09:59 PM - edited 11-07-2024 10:03 PM
C2C, hopefully Rick will stop by too and add to this post. The R6 Mk II does have better low light performance over the R7.
The R7 has some challenges with rolling shutter and those challenges are reduced in the R6 Mk II
Both bodies have positives and negatives. This may help with the comparison, if you have questions just hit us up, someone here will be able to assist and give you an answer.
Canon R6 II vs Canon R7 Comparison
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11-07-2024 10:16 PM
This is terrific - thank you so much! I'm in a much better head-space now after a few days of pouring over so many details. Again, thanks so much!
11-07-2024 11:20 PM
I am late to the party and it sounds like there is some "budget creep" but that is a good thing with what you are trying to do. 🙂
Is your goal to cover the entire court with a single lens from your position in the end court? If so, a 100-400 is too long for covering the near basket area with a full frame 6 series and way too long with an APS C 7 series sensor.
For HS basketball, I use three bodies and three lenses with 1DX III bodies and 24-70 f2.8, 70-200 f2.8, and 300 f2.8 to cover the court from one location. Any telephoto longer than 300 won't be needed on a full frame sensor and around 200 is all you need with a "crop sensor" body.
Even with modern gear, f4 is about the limit for good photos unless you are shooting D1 college or better because typical gym lighting is decent but not great. Increased noise with higher ISO is part of the issue but ALL cameras (mirrorless and DSLR) will focus a little slower in low light with narrow maximum aperture lenses. For a couple of HS gyms in the area I found it best to use EF 85 f1.8 and EF 200 f2 lenses because the light level was bad enough that it was better to "zoom" with my feet than use my usual gear setup. So try to avoid anything "worse" than f4 in the range you will be using if you use a variable aperture zoom.
If you are doing a single lens you will need at least 50mm at the wide end (say around 30mm with an APS C sensor) and at least 200 at the tele end when using a full frame body. If you can keep the ISO reasonable, you can always crop the image but there is no way to add back what you can't fit within the frame at the point of capture and at the speed of basketball you have to leave some margin of error on the edges most of the time.
Below are some photos to give you an idea of what various lens focal lengths will provide while shooting from the floor just behind the basket. The first is with a 24-70 2.8 @ 28mm, the second is with the same lens but @ 70mm, the third with a 70-200 f2.8 @ 200, and the last with a 300 f2.8 prime. Most of your shots of ball handling near the goal will be within 70mm so you really don't want a lens that starts at 100 unless you are willing to back up to the wall which tends to limit your mobility.
Rodger
11-07-2024 11:35 PM
Thank you so much for this! So incredibly helpful! So a 105mm lens should work OK, I assume?
11-08-2024 06:32 AM - edited 11-08-2024 08:23 AM
105mm will give you a lot of good photos but you really need to have wider angle (under 105mm) for the up close action at the basket. Otherwise you will need to back off to the far corner as your shooting spot and then you will lose a lot because of players getting in the way of the action shot.
Overall, a full frame camera can have an advantage over a "crop sensor" camera because the bigger sensor provides for having larger individual photosites which can gather more light HOWEVER the technology era/level of the sensor is also a major factor in low light performance as is the number of pixels since a highly dense full frame sensor will have smaller photosites than one with lower pixel density. That is something a lot of people miss when they complain about Canon's 1 series cameras not having a competitive number of pixels. The design is optimized for the type of photography for which those bodies excel.
The R6 series will definitely outperform your R7 in lower light situations HOWEVER the biggest impact on camera performance in sports shooting is the lens. A R7 with a great lens for sports (the 70-200 f2.8 or the f4 as a step down) is going to be much better than a R6 II (or even a R1 or 1DX III) with a mediocre lens.
So my view is lens upgrades first, this is where to put your money for sports and most types of photography and then body. A great lens is something you will continue to use even as technology changes and lens technology is "old and stable" compared to the rest of the electronics in digital imaging. A great Canon lens from the early 2000 era is still a great Canon lens while a low cost "kit lens" from 2024 is going to perform optically much like a camera with its kit lens from 2 decades ago. Buy a very good lens now and you will continue to use it. My most used sports lens is an EF 70-200 f2.8 IS III but if it had an issue I wouldn't hesitate to use the EF 70-200 f2.8 non-IS lens I bought with my first 1 series back in 2005 because it is still an incredibly good sports lens. If you can swing a 70-200 f2.8 (consider used if needed to stay in your budget) at the 70mm end with minimal shifting of position on the court it will give you excellent coverage of close up action.
Rodger
11-08-2024 07:47 AM
Thank you so much!
11-08-2024 08:40 AM - edited 11-08-2024 08:40 AM
You are welcome! And I look forward to seeing what you capture!
Please always be on alert because a lot of the action doesn't stop at the lines. I captured this shot while sliding to the side as the player crashed into the back padded wall next to me. Two games later, a student photographer for the opposing school got trampled when she was checking her last image captured instead of paying attention to three players crashing the board and ending up spread across the run out area-fortunately the only injury was her camera lens separated into two pieces but she was okay. Sports photography is like driving, you can't let something like your LCD display distract you from what is going on around you.
Rodger
11-08-2024 08:58 AM
Thank you!
11-08-2024 12:10 AM
Hi C2C,
Rodger is our resident sports photography expert. He has a great deal of knowledge, and experience shooting all types of sports at various venues. If it runs, jumps or flies through the air, (indoors or out) he's probably taken photos of it.
We'd love to see you stretch you budget a bit and land with the R6mkII if possible. Its lower pixel density and larger photo-sites give it vastly superior low light capability as compared to the R7. Yes, its more money, but I believe it will return on its investment from a performance and satisfaction standpoint. Lenses are actually the real investment in photography and are what you typically carry forward. Photography is not an inexpensive hobby and we understand other priorities affect purchasing decisions. Canon refurbished is a great way to stretch your dollars and save. There are a great many people here who are happy to help you make good purchasing decisions. Don't rush, do research and ask questions. 😃
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