10-16-2024 01:44 PM - last edited on 10-16-2024 03:04 PM by Danny
Need to know if my lense will work with my camera and if im an idiot
so im looking at buying my first camera lens. I want to do sports photography and i already have a Cannon EOS rebel t5. Im looking for a lens that has f/2.8 70-200 mm
i am most likely going to buy an off brand lens due to cost and the fact that they seem very similar. I am concerned about how it will do with hardware because it’s off brand. If i get a new camera it would not be cool if my expensive lease wasn’t compatible with it. Although I'm really wondering if my camera will perform well with my lens I have right now
Im very apprehensive about this because I just started learning about camera specs likr 4 days ago and have spent like 5 hours researching and I'm now starting to grasp this
any advice? Am i making a good decision, what else should i be looking for
Deep down i think i know I'm making a good decision and I'm right. But I need someone with more experience and knowledge to say I'm not an idiot and I'm overreacting. Due to the fact that I'm spending 500 to 800 and that is never not stressful endeavor, especially if you only recently started to research what your looking for.
thanks y’all
10-16-2024 02:04 PM
All Canon brand EF & EF-S lenses are compatible with your camera. 3rd Party compatibility is on the 3rd Party manufacturer. I've bought cheaper 3rd Party gear only having to comeback to Canon because the gear was incompatible with my new camera. Look at KEH photo for a used copy of the Canon EF 70-200mm F/2.8L IS II USM lens. Or B&H Photo NYC for the Canon EF 70-200mm F/2.8L IS USM lens. It is worth every penny. It is even compatible via an adapter on Canon's EOS R series cameras. I own the EF 70-200mm F/2.8L IS III USM lens and its a very good optic. Sure 3rd Party may work now but who knows how well it work on a new camera.
10-16-2024 02:51 PM - edited 10-16-2024 03:03 PM
Hi Chance and welcome to the forum!
Your trepidation about investing is perfectly understandable, so don't fret about - and you're not a fool! 🙂 In fact, I think that recognizing your limitations is a wise position.
Moving from, say, a cell phone to a dedicated camera is a significant step. Such a camera has far more potential to create images of high quality and open new horizons because you can customize the optics and the sensors are far, far bigger than those in a cell phone. However, to leverage those capabilities one has to learn about light, exposure and the controls of the camera that manage exposure: shutter speed, ISO and aperture. In combination, they offer many different ways of achieving the correct exposure, but each variation will have an impact on the image and composition of your photographs. That's a learning curve that will take a while, as it does for everyone.
Let me first reassure you that the T5, while basic, has the essentials to learn photography and is a great learning tool.
Let me start off with a series of questions about what kinds of photography you want to engage in, by learning that we can be of greatest help to get you what you need within budget.
1. I understand your budget is $500-800 for a lens.
2. What lenses do you currently have - please be specific as possible as there are often multiple versions of the same focal range. You will find the information you need at the front of each lens, thus:
You need to identify - Physical Focal length, Aperture Range and Maker and Lens Type
What kinds of subjects do you want to shoot?
Under what conditions - dim indoors, outdoors, close by or at a distance?
What do you intend to produce - images for social media, digital display, small-medium prints, or very large prints?
These details are not technical but about the kinds of photography you intend to engage with.
In the meantime, I will also suggest watching the following to give you a start on your journey.
To give you some orientation to your camera specifically, this video may help - the T5 and T6 are almost identical:
10-16-2024 07:30 PM
Hi,
firstly my budget is fluctuating i say 500-800 because that’s what ive seen on the used market on eBay im willing to go over 1000 if necessary
the lens I have currently is the base one that came with the t5
Its a ef-5 lens 18-55 mm
and this kind of answers your next question but I want someone with great zoom capabilities
I plan on shooting open field sports football,baseball,soccer etc and that is a must for the camera
I also want an f/ stop of 2.8 because ive heard it’s constant as you zoom i know with outdoor sports especially at night you might want something higher
also id prefer social media because im trying to get my name out there and that could help
ive already started learning about that stuff using YouTube and taking notes trying to learn new things every day
thank you for your help
10-16-2024 08:24 PM - edited 10-16-2024 10:40 PM
Thanks for responding to my questions.
So, to confirm, budget up to a bit above $1,000 if necessary
First priority is a lens suitable for open field sports - given those tend to cover subjects that are some distance away as well as potentially close up, you are looking at two different focal ranges there: one wide to moderate telephoto, and another super telephoto - that latter will not be available in a constant aperture of f/2.8 unless you want to spend tens of thousands of dollars for that performance.
The f/2.8 lenses tend to be up to a maximum of 200mm at anything like a reasonable price
Therein lies your quandary...
For a deeper context into this. I suggest you take a while to review a couple of videos from Brigham Young University, which offers an insight into the focal ranges they work with. Their budget is essentially unlimited, so they can afford to get the lenses that have those focal lengths combined with those open apertures. So, some compromises must be made at this stage. Note that in the video from BYU, the settings for photography are not down to f/2.8, but to f/4, which gives you a lot more latitude for optics, but also be aware that this is done with Full-Frame, high-end cameras that have excellent sensors for low light work.
There is a lot to learn just about sports shooting as a specific skill and that is on top of learning to use the exposure controls I mentioned. Learning to shoot sports to a level that people want to invest in is an involved process, as the following videos demonstrate: Patience is required. Remember, you are literally just starting out, and you have a lot to learn (you don't know what you don't know at present), and rushing it won't help you, you will just get frustrated - I see that a lot...
To be honest, I would suggest you get used to shooting the field sports in daylight to become accustomed to the camera and lens, and get some skill at using the controls - there is a lot to learn there. For the speed of sports photography you need to know your camera controls so well that you don't have to think about what to press to get the feature you want and that takes setup, practice, practice, practice and time.
Leave the night events for a while until you build up some skill with the gear. Apart from fast lenses, if you want to shoot night sports, you will eventually have to consider going to a quality full-frame body - they have significantly better low light performance with sensors of the same MP capacity. You can't afford to invest in both high-end lenses and camera bodies at once, but the optics are the best long-term investment, while you learn the principles and then get a better body when you can produce consistently good results with what you have got - and that will be a while.
Finally, a note on technique. Pro sports still photographers don't shoot looking at the LCD panel on the back, they shoot with their eyes to the viewfinder and so, you need to make sure you use good technique to avoid camera shake, the longer the focal length the greater the risk.
So, here are a couple of suggestions:
First it is generally very desirable to stick with Canon lenses, when you eventually move to a Mirrorless platform, which is almost inevitable, those lenses will work via a Canon EF-RF adapter. Also stick to full-frame EF (rather than EF-S) lenses as that will allow you to update to that format if you choose.
So: The lenses I can find:
If you want a EF 70-200 then KEH have them, and they come with a warranty - price by condition:
Canon 70-200mm f/2.8 L IS II USM EF-Mount Lens {77} at KEH Camera
I had this lens, fabulous optic, very heavy for extended hand-held use, and likely too short for a lot of outfield shots.
For more reach, the EF 100-400L MkII is hard to beat:
Canon 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6 L IS II USM EF Mount Lens {77} with Canon Tripod Foot at KEH Camera
Another optical range between is the popular 70-300 range and Canon actually made 4 variants of this, of which I shall recommend two to you:
Canon 70-300mm f/4-5.6 IS II Nano USM Lens for EF-Mount, Black {67} at KEH Camera
While not an L series lens it has great optics and a super-fast focus Nano-USM motor that make it a great performer.
Canon 70-300mm f/4-5.6 L IS USM Lens for EF-Mount, White {67} at KEH Camera The L version is a true pro lens. Light, compact, brilliant optic and built like a tank. I had one and only parted with it reluctantly and with some regret.
I wrote a review of these lenses a while ago that might give you some context:
Canon 70-300 lenses: An In-depth Analysis.
There is a lot to digest here, but do spend the time to go through ALL the videos I have presented. I can assure you that a few hours of study will not even scratch the surface of being a competent photographer.
10-17-2024 07:39 AM
Thank you so much for your help. It’s a lot, I know it makes a lot of sense to you so im going to try and understand everything I can
the photo showing what shutter speed, aperture and iso should be used in environments is very helpful i saved it to my phone
im a big fan of Robert Iooss. I remember seeing a special ESPN did on him and I’ve studied his work for the last few years. He is the reason why I wanted to become a photographer. Ive also am a fan of Dennis stock I love his work with James Dean it’s awesome how he shows us so much about the person behind the persona
also Im very intrigued by yousef karsh and how he portrayed his subjects and how much he captured who they where as a person how he would spend 6+ hours with them to really get a feel for who they are and then capture in essence what they portrayed it’s truly fascinating
In high school I took photos at an event and learned so much just from that as far as preparation goes
I actually took a class at a local community college for photography but for a lot of reasons it didn’t work out
mainly it was the fact that they required me to take 5 other classes and I was just out of high school it was way too much
also none of them were in person and only one was a virtual class where the teacher actually taught us
the rest of them including the photography class where self taught basically. It had me questioning what we were paying for but my professor was very impressed and said I should consider submitting some photos for competitions so you never know maybe I do have something
just hope I can have a career where I love what I do and even if i retire i still do it just for the love of photography
thanks again
10-16-2024 03:12 PM
Trevor gives good advice. Download the manual and start with the basics. Another source I found: Digital Photography for Dummies; written just for me. The video on basic photography would be good. Bookmark and refer to it.
10-16-2024 03:48 PM
Chancemahony,
You didn't say which brand you were looking to buy. Just make sure that it is compatible with your Canon camera. As Demetrius said, it's not Canon's responsibility to make sure that off-brands will work. It's the "other guy's".
If you do decide to get a Canon brand, you might want to save up a little while longer. Even used 70-200 lenses are running about $900-$1,000 now.
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