02-14-2019 07:20 AM
Hi,
Respected Members,
Hope you are fine. I need your suggestions regarding camera. I have a 650 Euro budget. In this range suggest me some models. Also I am beginner to this thing. Thanks
Waiting for your kind suggestions.
Best regards,
Umar
03-30-2019 04:24 AM
@Umar19 wrote:What about Canon EOS 77D. Which one is better 77D or 800D. And which lens is suitable for 77D. I am palnning to buy one of those.
Also suggest if there is a same quality camera released in 2018. Because these both are released in 2017. Thanks & regards
In this case, the list prices of the cameras are a good measure of which camera body is better. The T7i is good. The 77D is better. The 80d is far and away the best of the trio.
I recommend looking for a sale on the 80D with the EF-S 18-55mm kit lens. When that lens kit is on sale, the lens is almost a free giveaway. And, it is a pretty good to lens at that. You can be up and “running and gunning” for a small investment. While the EF-S 18-135mm kit lens is a very good lens, I think the cost difference makes the smaller lens kit the better buy.
The best approach is to purchase the body of your choice, and the lens of your choice. There are better lens options out there than the camera kit lenses. But, the 80D kits with the 18-55mm lens can go on sale at the nearly the same price as body only kits. IMHO, this is the more frugal path. Not everyone needs an expensive lens.
There is a wide variety of lenses out there. Until you know more about using a DSLR and lenses, my advice is to shy away from making a big investment in a lens until you know why you might want a better lens.
My advice to anyone looking to purchase their first lens would be to purchase one of Canon’s budget prime lenses. Either the EF 50mm f/1.8 STM. Or, buy one of the two “pancake” lenses: the EF-S 40mm f/2.8 STM or the EF-S 24mm f.2.8 STM. I think the frugal path would be the Canon 2 Lens Portrait Kit, which includes the aforementioned 50mm lens, and an ultra wide angle EF-S 10-18mm f/4.5-5.6 IS STM lens.
06-25-2020 04:19 AM
Hi
Hope you are fine. I need your suggestions regarding camera. I have a 650 Euro budget. In this range suggest me some models. Also I am beginner to this thing. Thanks
Waiting for your kind suggestions.
Best regards,
06-25-2020 10:37 AM
What do you want to shoot?
What lenses do you think you need?
06-25-2020 12:21 PM
$750 US dollars? That leaves out any mirrorless model that I would recommend but mirrorless is probably the way to go.
For less than $750, you want the Canon EOS Rebel T7i DSLR Camera with 18-55mm Lens.
"Also I am beginner to this thing."
All of us was at one time. That isn't really important. What is important is what are you going to use it for and how interested in photography you are. Can you supply answers to those two questions?
09-17-2020 01:44 AM - edited 09-17-2020 01:45 AM
Welcome!
As Ebiggs and some others have asked, but I will expand upon a bit:
What are your goals and interests in photography?
Examples:
Does size/weight matter?
(it does to petite me! I do alot of hiking so don't want to haul around heavy gear)
That might influence what is best.
And if the best camera exceeds your budget, you can always get a good used camera within budget.
Whatever you decide, I hope you don't lose patience with it. Take lots of shots, ask questions, and you will see your photography improving. And most of all have fun!
Annie
09-17-2020 01:54 AM
Hi Annie:
Thanks for this information. The BIG question for me is what do you intend to produce? I mean large, detailed prints, small prints, material for digital screens or to publish on web pages. Each of these puts different demands on the equipment, but if you don't need to take, for example larege detailed prints, you can save a lot of money and bulk by avoiding large, expensive gear.
09-17-2020 10:19 PM - edited 09-17-2020 11:13 PM
Hi Trevor,
Good points!
I publish now on social media but am hoping to expand on that (photo contests, web site perhaps, and the like) so I don't pick a camera based on where I am publishing (since I am constantly thinking improvement and expansion).
However, now I am thinking ahead actually in my own selection, EOS RP vs EOS R (lighrweight). I am a landscape photographer and the dynamic range difference seems to be significant (can get 14 on the R at ISO 800) but not sure if that is important (images I have seen do not seem to indicate that). I know if I am exposing correctly and/or am patient in post-editing (do not like to be there) then whatever camera I can work through dynamic range issues.
So I can see how a newbie (or anyone!) might have some difficulties selecting! It seems to always be compromise.
My first digital was a Canon SL1 because it was small, lighrweight, and had enough features for me at the time. I was happy and am still happy with it. I gave it tons of abuse shooting in all weather and it has held up well and I have produced really good images with it and have really grown as a digital photographer.
To any newbie I woudl say go to a store, handlle cameras, see how they feel and talk to a store clerk on their needs and goals and budgets.
Cheers, Annie
09-18-2020 10:50 AM
" I woudl say go to a store, handlle cameras, see how they feel ..."
I like that. However the store clerk may be as uninformed as you. They may only know the "talking" points but hand s om is always the best go.
09-18-2020 02:11 PM - edited 09-18-2020 05:18 PM
@amatula15 wrote:Hi Trevor,
Good points!
I publish now on social media but am hoping to expand on that (photo contests, web site perhaps, and the like) so I don't pick a camera based on where I am publishing (since I am constantly thinking improvement and expansion).
However, now I am thinking ahead actually in my own selection, EOS RP vs EOS R (lighrweight). I am a landscape photographer and the dynamic range difference seems to be significant (can get 14 on the R at ISO 800) but not sure if that is important (images I have seen do not seem to indicate that). I know if I am exposing correctly and/or am patient in post-editing (do not like to be there) then whatever camera I can work through dynamic range issues....
To any newbie I woudl say go to a store, handlle cameras, see how they feel and talk to a store clerk on their needs and goals and budgets.
Cheers, Annie
So, obviously you are making an effort to say that you are experienced, and that's fine. However, when I asked the question about what you will produce your answer did not address whether you will be producing large, hardcopy images. That is far more demanding on a camera and lens than producing for digital display. I will assume from your answer that you are producing purely digital images - which is fine, but it gives you more choice flexibility than you might have considered, something I addressed in a private message to you. I recommend checking out the Wildlife Photographer of the Year website, arguably one of the most prestigious competitions in the photography calendar, and look at the gear that has been used. There are some amazing images there taken with relatively humble equipment.
The other thing that you are doing, and needs to be addressed, is focusing on the body rather than the glass - which is a trap you may regret. Dynamic range and small size in the body is certainly important, but you say you want to shoot wildlife, landscapes and a wide range of other subjects, yet keep the camera small and light enough to carry if you go hiking. That is where the glass comes in...
If you do not have a large commitment to earlier technology, then the new Canon R-series holds a lot of promise. However, most of the lenses so far released for that mount are a) heavy and b) very expensive. Since you gave us no idea of budget - a fundementally important factor - it is hard for anyone to address that. Lens size and weight are factors we can address.
These days, outside small, pancake units, lenses provide the majority of cost, bulk and weight in a camera system. Futhermore, bodies are replaced with some frequency as the electronics change, but lenses have a much longer life-span, and thus represent a much more signifcant investment.
If you want superior L glass with the maximum range but miminum number of lenses then I see three possibilities:
1) Go for the classic "Holy Trinity" of lenses - in this case the EF-R 15-35, 24-70, 70-200 but that takes you only to 200mm and depending on the wildlife you are shooting that is not likley to be a long enough reach. Cost for these, according to the Canon website would be: $2,200+ 2,200+ 2,600. So that lot would set you back $7,000 for the glass alone. I don't live in the US, so I don't know if tax is added to that.
2) Another combination: (optional 15-35), 24-105, 100-500 That one holds more promise at the long end but the cost, weight and bulk will be massive - so not good if weight is a factor. Both of these first options will cost ($2,200) $1,100 +2,700, a minimum investment of $3,800 - not including the optional unit.
3) The RF 24-240mm - this lens will still be short on the telephoto end but as a starter it offers a chance for you to be able to carry a single, relatively light unit into the field and represents a much cheaper investment. This lens is an interesting unit. It displays massive masking (as if you had the lens hood on wrong) on the corners at 24mm and all sorts of other defects in RAW, but the JPGs are actually very good, and if you put the RAW images into Photoshop or Lightroom and use lens correction the images suddenly come right. Cost $700. I suggest checking out some reviews like the one by Justin Abott:
Lastly, you had a massive and very wide-ranging list of wants for application. What I would suggest is following this process, tried and trusted, for making purchases by businesses.
• Establish Your Criteria
• Define benefits you want, rank them in priority - Identify them as critical, want, would be nice
• Research for Products
• Find products that have features the match your benefits list
• Compare and Filter
• Compare the features with your benefits list
• Remove any that don’t match your “must have” criteria
• Reduce the list to 2-3.
• Evaluate
• Try out the gear with a hands-on evaluation
• Make your purchase
Frankly, I would suggest renting the gear you will think you want to invest in, it is the best way of getting solid experience without commitment, especially considering the investment you are considering. I would also consider the EOS R6. It offers way more capability than the bodies you identified.
09-18-2020 10:48 PM - edited 09-19-2020 01:37 PM
Hey Trevor,
Thank you!
But FYI: I am not the OP -- I added the questions for the OP to consider.
Over the past 5 months or so I have started to find my niche and where I want to go with my photograhy at this time.
And I know where I want to go with lens.
Currently, I have a EF 24 MM F/2.8 IS USM and love it!
I just got an ND filter for it. So I want to focus on experimenting with that.
Overall I have decided to stay with primes for the weight advantage lower F stop and sometimes, better quality..At/under F 2.8 as I hand hold the camera alot. The RF zoom lens you mention are tempting. I have seen images produced from them on line and they do seem like very good lens. But F 4. + means I'd likely need to carry a tripod more and it is not something that is generally going to happen when I am out hiking.
With the R series (I decided RP is fine but I can check the R6 - thank you!) I am going to go wtth the RF 35 mm IS F 2.0
If Canon's nifty 50 were image stablized, I'd go with that.
I think shooting prime has made me a much more creative photographer and added elements of fun to my photograhy, so I think I like staying with prime....but the tradeoff is I may miss some good wildlife images.... But then I realized what I love the most is landscape so I am focusing on that now.
But I have to admit that my search for new gear improved me as a photographer! I learned so much. I then started applying what I was learning from reading online, watching youtubes, and posting on forums.
So, in an irony of sorts I started really loving the camera I was hoping to upgrade from (Canon SL1).
But I have to admit online reviews and reading spec sheets threw me off and even for a moment had me thinking the RP was not right for me due to dynamic range issues. Sometimes I get too focused on the specs and reviews, but my heart tells me - as you say - if I have the right lens, as well as a camera that I can handle well (I can handle both the R and RP very well, loved them both!) then I can produce the images I want. And enjoy the craft.
So, short of it: I am really grateful for posting to forums -- I really have learned so much.
Thank you!
PS: I try to stay budget ranges (under $500/lens, under $1,400 body). I do not think I need the most expensive bodies and if I ever get good, I don't want others to think they need expensive bodies to produce good images. I like "humble equipment!" -- I will check for your PM! 🙂 Thank you!
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