EOS-1D X Mirrorless - EOS-R Equivlent

[shadowsports]

Just a rumor, but an interesting one for sure.

https://www.canonrumors.com/canon-to-announce-eos-1d-x-equivalent-eos-r-system-camera-in-2021/

Make sure it has an articulating screen if/when it comes guys!

[Waddizzle]

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@diverhank wrote:

I beg to differ for wildlife cases...to get low angles on the critters, like ducks or avocets mating ... a lot of wildlife photographers right now get their cameras and tripods inches from the ground and without the articulating screens have to lie down flat with the cameras to see.  I've done it personally, often I had to lie on birds droppings to do it.   It's wonderful to be able to sit and do it with the screen.  This is where mirrorless excels because you can't do that easily with the DSLR live view...different AF method and way too slow for action.

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I was using an iPhone on my previous post, so I was brief. 

Like said in an earlier post, articulating screens are great for snapshots.  If the screen is more than a foot or two from the eye, then you really cannot see what you are shooting very well.  All you can really see is, “Yeah, my whole face is in the frame,” as you make a YouTube video.  

Not sure how well that would work shooting wildlife, but I suspect not very well.  How would you recompose the shot when the subject move out of frame?  You are still going to need to get your face within a foot or so of the screen.  Besides, if using a mirrorless camera with an articulating screen is so great, then why do they give them electronic viewfinders?

If you want to go mirrorless, then go for it.  You do not need to buy a mirrorless camera to get an articulating screen.  The 6D2 and 80D, and the soon to be released 90D, are great cameras with articulating screens.  I shot the pumpkins with a 6D2.

When I shot the pumpkins, I had held the camera much higher as I focused on a pumpkin.  As I lowered the camera, I kept the pumpkin in the frame, while AF tracking kept the selected pumpkins in focus.  I pressed the shutter, which had a 2 second delay, and steadied the camera until it took the shot.

I have found the articulating screen more useful as a means to dynamically read exposure settings when using a tripod, instead of relying on the LCD screen on the top of the body.  I have yet to find another manufacturer whose cameras allow you to do this.  

All you have to do is go into the menus and disable the shutter button from turning off the rear screen, and then use the [INFO] button to call up exposure settings.  Now, when you press the shutter the static INFO display becomes a real time display.

[Waddizzle]

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@ebiggs1 wrote:

"I realize it wouldn't be an economically feasible market offering from a main line producer but I suspect the old 1.3X "crop" in an 8 to 10 MP offering would provide stunning sports shooting performance ..."

Go buy a good used 1D Mk IV.  I still have mine and I intend on always keeping it.

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A 1D Mark IV fits that description.  My only complaint is how LOUD it can be.  A year ago I fell off the wagon and picked up a 12 MP Nikon D3, which has a 8 um pixel pitch.  It is just as LOUD and fast as the 1D4..  And, it takes great photos, too.

The above photo was shot with a 1D4 and Sigma 150-600 “C”.  I am in awe of the color, detail, and dynamic range.  I have not used it much for sports, but I think I might maybe use it for some Youth Tackle Football this year. 

[ebiggs1]

"A 1D Mark IV fits that description."

It's a great camera and the last of the 1.3 sensor 1 series.

"My only complaint is how LOUD it can be.  I ... picked up a 12 MP Nikon D3, ...  It is just as LOUD ... "

My 1D4 shot many weddings and I never saw it as a problem noise wise. I only have the one as an example though.

"And, it takes great photos, too."

It certainly does.   It is a favorite of the Birders.

I sold all my Nikon gear a while back. I can very confidently say if you wanted a D3 you didn't get the right one.  The D3x is one fantastic camera and the one you should have bought. It has more detail, better image quality, richer colors, more dynamic range than the D3. Plus it is a bit newer!  It is one of my Nikon's I truly miss.

[ebiggs1]

"The above photo was shot with a 1D4 and Sigma 150-600 “C”."

Nice duck. 

[Waddizzle]

“The D3x is one fantastic camera and the one you should have bought. It has more detail, better image quality, richer colors, more dynamic range than the D3. Plus it is a bit newer! It is one of my Nikon's I truly miss.”

The D3 was $800 and the D3x was $1400. They do have different sensors, but the same resolution. The biggest gain seemed to be video was added to the D3x.

[John_SD]

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@diverhank wrote:

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I beg to differ for wildlife cases...to get low angles on the critters, like ducks or avocets mating ... a lot of wildlife photographers right now get their cameras and tripods inches from the ground and without the articulating screens have to lie down flat with the cameras to see.  I've done it personally, often I had to lie on birds droppings to do it.   It's wonderful to be able to sit and do it with the screen.  This is where mirrorless excels because you can't do that easily with the DSLR live view...different AF method and way too slow for action.

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I think if these guys went out to the tidepools, they would have a greater apprecation for a fully articulating screen. Also, out in the desert, where you're trying to photograph a snake eye to eye, which requires you to get on your belly. Or a shot of a tarantula. Or a scorpion. Or desert flowers. You get the idea. Most of these subjects require me to get down on my belly or knees and I really wish I had a camera with an articulating screen. My next camera will have one, I can tell you that. 

I shoot a far bit out at the Cabrillo Tidepools, and also out in the Anza-Borrego and the Mojave. An articulating screen would be of tremendous benefit. 

[Waddizzle]

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@ebiggs1 wrote:

"The above photo was shot with a 1D4 and Sigma 150-600 “C”."

Nice duck. 

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Thanks for the duck.  I recall that I was at the short end of the lens. It had walked right up to me, and stood guard as the ducklings paddled by in the water a few feet from land.  They are just out of sight behind the rock.

I have the specs of the D3x confused with the D3s.  I passed on the D3s because I was not looking for video.  I passed on the D3x because of price.  It seemed to me that the Nikon D3x was more comparable to a Canon 1Ds3, while the D3/D3s seemed more comparable to a 1D4.

[Waddizzle]

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@John_SD wrote:

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@diverhank wrote:

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I beg to differ for wildlife cases...to get low angles on the critters, like ducks or avocets mating ... a lot of wildlife photographers right now get their cameras and tripods inches from the ground and without the articulating screens have to lie down flat with the cameras to see.  I've done it personally, often I had to lie on birds droppings to do it.   It's wonderful to be able to sit and do it with the screen.  This is where mirrorless excels because you can't do that easily with the DSLR live view...different AF method and way too slow for action.

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I think if these guys went out to the tidepools, they would have a greater apprecation for a fully articulating screen. Also, out in the desert, where you're trying to photograph a snake eye to eye, which requires you to get on your belly. Or a shot of a tarantula. Or a scorpion. Or desert flowers. You get the idea. Most of these subjects require me to get down on my belly or knees and I really wish I had a camera with an articulating screen. My next camera will have one, I can tell you that. 

I shoot a far bit out at the Cabrillo Tidepools, and also out in the Anza-Borrego and the Mojave. An articulating screen would be of tremendous benefit. 

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I had a bit more in the way of action photography in mind.  7D2 and EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS II USM.

I did not need an articulating screen to capture that little guy.  I needed speed.  I had to be quick.  He would have been gone before I could have articulated. He popped up to take a look at me, and was gone just like that.  I doubt if I had two seconds to aim, focus, shoot.  The camera was already up to my chin.

I like to shoot in M mode with ISO Auto, but cap the ISO at 6400 in the 7D2.  I program the [SET] button so that I can adjust Aperture when it is held down.  I use the rear dial to adjust AEC.  This approach is ideal for the 7D2 viewfinder display, which dispays an exposure compensation bar in M mode on the top LCD, instead of an Ev display.  Many people complain about the 7D2 display.  They don’t get it.

Nearly all of the professional action photographers I know shoot Manual with ISO Auto.  No one wants to let the camera control more than one leg of the Exposure Triangle.  And, everyone wants direct control over both SS and Av, so you let the camera handle ISO, especiallly under the widely varying light conditions you might experience when shooting wildlife or sports.

[ebiggs1]

"I have the specs of the D3x confused with the D3s."

I suspected such as you seem to be on top of camera specs most of the time. I really don't pay much attention to other camera's specs. I have enough trouble keeping up with what I own or have owned.

Until recently Canon had nothing to rival the Nikon D3x.  It is and still is, BTW, a fantastic camera.  It is the one Brand-N, that I owned that I miss. I would urge you to sell that D3 and buy a D3x.  At least get a hold of one and try it.

"...the Nikon D3x was more comparable to a Canon 1Ds3..."

Owned both. Used both, extensively.  The win goes to the D3x.

"...the D3/D3s seemed more comparable to a 1D4."

Owned both. Used both, extensively. The win goes to the 1D Mk IV.

[John_SD]

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@Waddizzle wrote:

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Nearly all of the professional action photographers I know shoot Manual with ISO Auto.  No one wants to let the camera control more than one leg of the Exposure Triangle.  And, everyone wants direct control over both SS and Av, so you let the camera handle ISO, especiallly under the widely varying light conditions you might experience when shooting wildlife or sports.

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Well, we don't generally deal with a lot of "varyingl light conditions" out in the Mojave. And at the tidepools, we are governed more by the low tide than we are the light, which has never given me a problem there, even at mid-day. I am not shooting sweeping ocean vistas at the tidepool. And I still wish I had an articulating screen for these environments, for obvious reasons. 

Very nice photo, by the way.