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Why is everyone using the 24-105 f4?

shikaka1
Apprentice

I mean there is no doubt that it's a great lens, but why don't people use a f2.8 or even lower aperture lens? Even the multiple 3.5-5.6/6.3 lenses offer a bit better work in low light at the closest focal length. And if having a fixed aperture is what makes an image sharp, then why not use a 2.8 zoom lens?

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shadowsports
Legend
Legend

Greetings,

Generally speaking, having a constant aperture isn't what makes an image sharp.  I have the RF Trinity, f2.8.  I understand the flexibility it offers.  There is only one stop between f4 and f2.8.  Lens with faster apertures certainly offer greater flexibility, but this convenience also comes at a price.  There is a big difference between $1300 and $3000, making the f.2.8 out of reach for some.  Shooting scenarios also need to be taken into account.  Some people shoot outdoors the majority of the time, so they may use a faster aperture less frequently.  An f2.8 lens also weighs more.  There are many reasons why someone might choose a lens with a variable aperture over one with a constant one. People buy what they need based on intended use, and what they can afford.  

~Rick
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Tronhard
VIP
VIP

Hi and welcome to the forum:

If we are just considering that focal range (which is what I assume you are considering), then there are many aspects to this, starting off with budget.  The weight, bulk, complexity and thus the cost of lenses with very wide apertures are great, so one must have a good reason for wanting to accept those characteristics, and that depends on what one photographs.  So, for a start, one lens type does not match all needs.  Just taking the Rf 24-105 range you refer to:
Lens variant------ Weight ------- length -------Width
f/2.8----------------- 1330g -------- 199mm ----- 89mm ..... $2,999
f/4  ------------------  700g --------- 107mm ----  84mm ..... $1.299
f4-7.1-----------------  395g --------   89mm ---   77mm ..... $  400

In financial terms alone, the difference is stark, so unless one has a pressing need to pay large amounts for an f/2.8 constant aperture, then the cost is not a great value proposition.

So What are the Benefits?
The wide aperture has two practical benefits:
First, it will allow more light in where it is limited, thus keeping the shutter speed and ISO potentially lower.  However, if one is not shooting in such conditions then the benefit and thus the value is not there.  If the light is low, then can move into better light, or provide more light with reflectors, strobes, etc.  Using a slower shutter speed with a tripod or other steadying device is a traditional method. The pressing need to keep the ISO down is much less with modern sensors, not to mention the magic wrought in post-processing by apps that reduce or remove noise.  The days when one had a very limited ISO range are long gone.

Second, it offers one method to allow one to achieve a very shallow depth of field.   
But that alone is not the only characteristic that does so.  There is another one of those 'trinities' at play here:
* The larger the aperture, the shallower the DoF
* The closer the subject, the shallower the DoF
* The longer the focal length, the shallower the DoF
Thus a shallow DoF can be achieve by multiple effects in combination.  We can explore how just focal length works by using a Depth of Field Calculator:

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The three examples above demonstrate how close the depth of field can be using those lenses, simply by changing the focal length slightly - this will create a slightly cropped image, but the cost difference is massive, so where is the value.

Simply put, for the vast majority of people (since you do not specify who would be making this choice) who would be in the market for that focal range, most of them will be perfectly happy with the results from either of the much, much cheaper alternatives.

A fixed aperture does not, in itself, make an image sharp.  The steadiness of the camera, the movement of the subject relative to the lens, the depth of field required to get the subject in focus, and the quality of the camera sensor itself all have an impact. 

Simply buying a prime lens or a more expensive zoom does not make for great images - it is far more down to the skill of the photographer.  For example, how one holds a camera can make a huge difference to the image quality.  A lot of people come to photography with a dedicated camera having been used to cell phones, which are extremely compact and light, and use significant computational algorithms to improve the quality of the images. They use those cell phones by holding them out in front of them, supported only by two arms, which is not a stable platform, but one can get away with it because the cell phone is so light and the physical focal lengths are absolutely tiny.

However, dedicated cameras are bulkier, heavier and use much longer focal lengths, thus having profound impact on the image.  The correct method for holding a dedicated camera is demonstrated in this illustration:
How to hold a camera properly.jpg

The above method seeks to create a tripod effect with one point of support with the EVF against the face and two others via the arms tucked tight to the torso.   Yet, I see photographers holding a fairly heavy camera as if it was a cell phone to take still images.  This is a very unstable platform, so the weight of a heavy f/2.8 lens will dramatically increase the risk of a shaky image.  In the examples below the photographer was shooting stills with an EOS R5 (738g) and an EF 24-105Lf/4, plus EF-RF adapter (with a combined weight of 905g) - total weight 1,643g).
R62A1650 C copy.jpg Worse.jpg


cheers, TREVOR

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"All the variety, all the charm, all the beauty of life is made up of light and shadow", Leo Tolstoy;
"Skill in photography is acquired by practice and not by purchase" Percy W. Harris

p4pictures
Whiz
Whiz

For a lot of people the 24-105mm F4 lens is the kit lens that comes with the camera. The current RF version is really good quality, light enough and good value in a kit with an EOS R5 II or R6 II body.

In the past the f/2.8 lenses offered benefits for DSLRs as many of the cameras offered improved AF precision at the centre and maybe other AF points when using f/2.8 lenses, but they were not offered as a standard kit due to the cost. This means it was an intentional choice of a photographer to choose an f/2.8 lens and that is still the case with mirrorless today.

With recent improvements in cameras usable ISO range there has been a custom function added to maintain the same exposure for a new aperture. With a lens like the RF 24-105mm F4-7.1 the camera will raise the ISO automatically even when using fixed ISO with manual exposure to maintain the same exposure. Starting at 24mm if you set 1/125 at f/4 with ISO 100, as you zoom to 105mm the aperture is dropped to f/7.1 and the ISO will increase automatically to ISO 320 maintaining the same exposure. 

If the size, weight and cost of all 24-105mm lenses was the same there would be no need for model variations. However the aperture value is a function of the diameter of the opening in the lens and the focal length. The optical elements for faster lenses must be larger in diameter. A 24mm lens with f/4 has a diameter of 6mm, this increases to 8.6mm for f/2.8, but at the longer end then you have 105mm with f/4 needing 26.25mm diameter, and the f/2.8 is 37.5mm. My RF 28-70mm F2 lens needs 35mm diameter at 70mm. 

Beyond this the other factors are well covered by Rick and Trevor. 


Brian
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